By now, you've all heard about the pregnancy pact. And whether or not you believe it actually existed, the point is: some young girls are getting pregnant intentionally ... and even more are getting pregnant accidentally.
In my opinion, the real controversy to this story is not the fact that these girls want to be young mothers. I think maternal instincts kick in at puberty. I myself often fantasized as a teen about finding an infant on my doorstep and raising her while I went to school. Thankfully, my parents discouraged premarital friskiness and explained the challenges of being a young, unwed mother so I never got past the daydream phase.
What's the real Hot Topic for me is that some schools are giving out birth control or contraceptives without parental consent. And what really intrigues me (WARNING! WARNING! Plot twist ahead!) is that some people are against it. I mean, perhaps the school shouldn't personally distribute birth control and should refer students to a third party resource instead, but I just don't understand why people are so upset - to the point that the school nurse had to resign.
Personally, I don't believe that birth control and condoms make teenagers have sex. Sex is an act of passion for most; it's an act of rebellion for others - and sometimes it's just sheer stupidity. But whether or not the sex is going to be safe is usually not the deciding factor, I think. Not having safe sex, however, is the cause of many hard consequences, including disease and unplanned pregnancy.
I do believe in abstinence and practiced it myself. I do plan to teach my children moral, spiritual and practical reasons why it's the best choice before you're married - but I do not want them to have unsafe sex if they decide to do it anyway. (And I doubt they would bring me a permission slip if one was required, knowing how disappointed I would be.)
Sex education doesn't just happen at school; it also happens in the home. We've already discussed this, but I really believe that you have to do your best and trust your children to make good choices on their own. When they don't, you pray they won't face tragic consequences. And if someone besides myself helps them avoid those, I'm grateful.
Granted, it would be nice if someone would tell me if my child is having sex. The issue isn't just religious - I would want to address the emotional and physical consequences of such behavior and help them understand their decision from all sides. But I don't think most sexually active teens are telling their parents - and those who are probably can acquire birth control with their parents' help.
Please understand, I think schools should teach their students about the negative consequences of sex more than they advertise contraceptives. And I think the context of distribution should be appropriate - having a counselor meet with a student privately versus throwing them out at a prep rally or having a box of them at prom.
But I bet that most of you (and a large part of the country, obviously) disagree. Please, help me understand why.
Do you think that distributing birth control encourages sexual behavior?
Or is this just an issue of parental rights?
Share.
32 comments:
I'm so excited to be the first to post on this very hot topic.
I was surprised by your position on this one, Mrs. Dub. I'm not sure why, since we seem to be of like minds on most topics; but I completely, 100% agree with you.
I know that many of your readers come from communities and backgrounds where abstinence is the norm. But, frankly, it's not. Promiscuity (and I mean the really promiscuous type) is the norm. I don't say this to scare anyone, just to realize that in my very mild group of friends growing up, every one was sexually active before marriage.
It's no good to say parents have a responsibility to teach this at home, when they clearly are not. By the time your son or daughter is looking to their school nurse for condoms, you probably gave up control a long time ago. Of course in an idea world, all children come to their parents and they discuss such things. And to top it off, if your child is going to have sex, no matter what, wouldn't you want them to be protected from pregnancy and STDs, no matter what?
Can't help you understand because I don't. I'm with you on this one.
I saw that story on the news and it made me so sad. I think the media glorifies having a baby at any age (ie. Jamie Lynn spears had a baby at 17, how exciting- not!) We just had an 18 year old girl have twin boys in our neighborhood and she is keeping them (no boyfriend/husband in sight, no family support) I just feel for these innocent babies. And I know so many who are waiting to adopt and apparently it is becoming the trend to not put babies up for adoption at any age.
I agree that it is not a crime to teach about sex in schools and let it be known that birth control is available to those who need it. I don't think it is right to hand it out to anybody and everybody- teenagers brains aren't all there(ie, the pregnant club) but I think the main responsibility definitely is with the parents.
I have feelings on both sides of the issue. I think for some kids, the easier it is to for them to have safe sex, the more likely they are going to give in to the social pressures and do it, often before they are emotionally ready. Providing free birth control at school gives the appearance that everyone is doing it, that it's socially acceptable, and almost expected that this is what teens do.
On the other hand, I think if a teenage girl takes the time to make an appointment w/ a gynecologist, goes in, and asks for birth control, I think it's okay without parental consent. But I would hope that the gynecologist would explain the ramifications of being sexually active at such a young age.
Although I agree that teens do not have sex simply because birth control is available, I don't agree with the thought that once your child looks for it, you've given up control. In most cases, they are at an age where you have allowed them some more space and responsibility because of their age and what you have taught them.
The schools do need to teach more abstinence, but they don't. If sex education was the only problem that public schools were facing, it might be remedied, but the fact is, there are just so many other facets of the public education that are failing that I don't see this one getting real attention any time soon. Having been a teenager myself not THAT long ago, I just don't know anyone who was sexually active who would have chosen not to be simply because there were not condoms available to them.
I think the other factor here is an age old issue, teenagers think they are invincible. I just don't know how we are to combat that. Again, I think that has to fall into what goes on at home, and we can only control that in our own homes.
The fact is unfortunate that there are parents out there who are not going to take the time or interest with their children. It's not just about pregnancy either, there are so many diseases out there that do everything from impair future fertility to threaten their very lives. I think that saying that the schools should not be allowed to issue birth control without parental approval is sticking our heads in the sand and ignoring the facts of the situation.
I just went and read your sex issue that you referred to, so I'd like to comment on both, since they go together. We've talked to our young children about their basic body parts and functions and how babies are born. We haven't gotten into sex yet, but we plan to when they turn 8. I think having conversations when they are younger might help open the doors when they were a bit older. I don't think that making BC available encourages sex to young children, because I really think they know they could get it if they wanted to anywhere. But just because it is available doesn't mean they'll use it. From my upbringing, it was never something I considered. Never a challenge for me. I always knew I'd wait for my wedding night and even though I dated a plenty, I never toyed with the option. But I also didn't have very many friends around me "doing it" either. I didn't know anyone when I was a teen who had a baby. It wasn't common where I grew up. Sex was, but not my closest friends. Anyway, I think it should be taught at home and at school is fine, but be involved in what they are teaching at school.
I was shocked by the pregnancy pact. I had not heard that. I know you loved the movie Juno but one of the reasons I didn't was that I felt that it glorified teen pregnancy. I am on my third pregnancy and I sure as heck am glad I didn't spend my teenage years feeling the way I do right now.
I think schools should teach abstinence but I also think that those who are going to have sex will do it regardless of contraceptives being available. Especially these girls the article talked about. The chose to be pregnant.
All in all it makes me sick!
BTW have you noticed the ad on the side for discounted garments? That caught me by surprise.
I believe that each school is different. They are in different areas, in different types of communities, with different students. Abstinence Only might work in some schools, but be tragic for others.
in the past few years Abstinence Only sex education has been pushed in all areas...and in those same few years the teen birth rate has risen.
Each community should be able to decide for themselves (with real examination of the pregnancy and sex rates) what is best for their schools and should NOT be threatened with cut funding if they provide/teach about birth control. (same with foreign aid, some clinic's abroad are advised to teach abstinence only, or lose funding...that’s not right)
me personally...i say teach BC. but i also understand that it's not the right way for everyone
I have been kind of shocked by people saying that the movie Juno glorified teenage pregnancy. Really? I didn't think so at all. She grew a lot and turned the situation into a positive, but I don't think the movie made teen pregnancy seem fun or glamorous. I also don't think making birth control available encourages teenagers to have sex. I think raging hormones encourage teenagers to have sex. Encouraging abstinence is a great idea, but assuming it will work is not always realistic. Teen pregnancies have actually dropped in recent years, I think largely because most teenagers abort -- wouldn't you rather give them condoms than have them do that?
I think I'd have to say I'm pro-birth control in schools. As a Mormon, I was taught abstinence/chastity/morality in church and at home. And, thankfully, I choose not to have sex before marriage. But also, as a Mormon, I was taught that all of us have free agency and are responsible for our own actions and choices. I happen to know that If I had WANTED to have sex, there is NO WAY my parents could have stopped me. (I got away with plenty of stuff as it is.)
If your kid wants to have sex, THEY WILL! This includes kids who know better, were taught better, and even those who were threatened or scared silly.
Short of locking them up, there's not much you can do about it. Except try to minimize the damage. So, yes. In my opinion, there should be BC available. If your school doesn't offer it, I hope there is a LOT of encouragement and pushing for adoption for the girls who do get pregnant.
I DON'T think allowing access to birth control encourages sex.
And I DON'T believe in abstinence-only education.
Wow, that was brief!
What an interesting topic! Although I don't have any kids yet, I plan on teaching them the same way you outlined in your post. The important thing, I think, is that I WILL TEACH THEM. I don't want school or groups of friends or the media to be the only way my child hears about sex and its consequences. But I'd have to be an idiot to think home is the only place my child would hear about it, but I know plenty of parents who don't want to deal with it. I'd be willing to bet these are the same parents hollering for abstinence-only education, and that a good portion of pregnant teenagers had parents who subscribed tho this mindset.
To that end, I'm all for having birth control available in schools. As much as parents and school administrators would like to think differently, if two frisky teenagers really want to have sex, are they going to let the unavailability of parental-consent-free birth control stop them? No way! It's time for a reality check.
Also, although it's not completely related, I take issue with the way a limited sex education excludes, for the most part, any discussion of abortion or adoption. While abortion is never a choice I'd make for myself and it would never be an option I'd recommend to someone facing a crisis pregnancy, I think there is way too much time wasted on all these efforts to reverse Roe v. Wade. I wonder what would happen if all the money poured into anti-abortion advocacy were instead focused on a more complete sex education (including a discussion of the availability and relative ease of obtaining birth control) and adoption advocacy.
I don't think that condom distribution gives anyone the idea to have sex; kids certainly come up with the idea on their own. BUT, here's what's wrong with it. It gives the message that we grown-ups think teenaged sex is okay and expected, and it says to the kids, "We have no faith in your ability to show self-restraint, so here; go for it." If you wouldn't give condoms to your own kids, why would you think it's okay for schools to give them out?
Have you heard this allegory in the condoms-at-school argument: "Should a wife give her husband a condom when he leaves town for a business trip, so that just in case he decides to cheat he'll be practicing safe sex?" Obviously absurd. Giving kids condoms tells them that we expect them to do it.
any boy, whether they are planning on abstaining or not, should have a condom on him at all times. any girl cannot be hurt by carrying a condom around in her purse, either. sex is hardly ever planned, but you are both prepared if it does.
plus, if they take those extra 30 seconds to get the condom out and strap it on, it might give them both a little time to think about what they are doing, and maybe stop.
while we don't like the thought of having the kids carry these around and that they might think about sex more with them in hand, at least it's something.
a girl taking birth control when she plans on abstaining seems ridiculous and doesn't give anyone time to think before the deed goes down. maybe i only feel this way because i hate how birth control affects me and wouldn't wish it on anyone until they absolutely needed it.
maybe the schools should start putting condoms in every occupied locker, just so a student will always know where to get one if they are planning something special and an entire class doesn't have to see them grabbing it.
also, several years ago in a little LDS town in southern utah, the cheerleaders all tried to see who could get pregnant first. it must be boredom and idiocy coombined.
IDIOTS! ALL OF THEM!
"Giving kids condoms tells them that we expect them to do it."
This is a poor argument. We wear seatbelts for safety. Does that mean I expect the driver to get an an accident? Of course not. But if it happens, I want to be safe. Same thing with condoms. I don't expect you to have sex, but if you do, please be safe. Hormones are a crazy thing, just like crazy drivers! Safety is always the best route to take.
The seatbelt comparison is invalid because seatbelts are preparation for accidents. Having sex is not an accident; it requires two willing participants (if both are not willing, it's another matter entirely). Hormones are strong, yes; I assume we've all been there at that time and place where we had to make a choice. But plenty of people have successfully practiced abstinence over the centuries and I still say that having a condom in your pocket might make you feel more comfortable with crossing that line when it comes instead of saying "No, we should stop." That said, I'm fine with schools teaching about bc methods but I think that free distribution is going too far. I am surprised that more of you aren't speaking out on behalf of morality but I'm proud to be the lone voice so far...
I have to add one more thing. I'm sorry, Mrs. Dub.
As someone who took birth control and carried condoms, I have to say, it never encouraged me to have sex. I think it's the opposite. I agree that our schools shouldn't push birth control on students, but if a student reaches out to an adult (a parent or a nurse) for protection. I think they have already made the choice to have sex.
The same would be true for a significant other heading off on a business trip. You would never hand him a condom on the way out the door, but if he grabs one...
Each adolescent should carry a condom with him or her at all times? Yes, and while they are at it, perhaps each should carry some narcotics in case they want to do drugs they can make sure the drugs have come from a safe source. Maybe parents should make sure they have some alcohol too, so they won’t get into trouble with a fake id if they chose to drink. Giving adolescents condoms to carry at all times is condoning sex.
We do not and should not have control over adolescents. By this stage they should be actively developing their identities and gaining an increased sense of autonomy. Guarding them with education whether through school or home is essential. Teaching them about contraception is also smart. Giving condoms freely as if they are uncontrolled animals is insulting. Aiming them with knowledge and information, (including where to get contraception), is empowering and will perhaps give them more confidence in themselves, increase the level of trust between the parent-child dyad, and increase their ability to say no.
Seriously? I am very surprised that everyone is okay with the school giving out any kind of birth control. Yes, kids are havings sex. Lots of it. But it is the parents responsibilty to teach the kids about abstinence or safe sex or whatever they decide to teach. I don't want the school doing my job. When I think about my 3 little girls...it makes me sick to think that they would come home with condoms from the school. No thank you.
I'm surprised at your position on this one, too. While I can see where you are coming from, I just feel like parents and schools should be on the same team. So if my kid has to go around my back, I want the "system" to back me up and have my kid go around their back too. Because if they are smart enough to ask the counselor, they're smart enough to procure it from our bedroom or somewhere else. This sounds kinda lame when I type it out. But I still don't think a school is an appropriate place for kids to get that stuff. The message to me is "Your parents might say you are too irresponsible, but we think you are mature enough to decide for yourself."
On another note, you are so good at picking these topics. They come up in my live conversations so often.
Let me first say that I absolutely believe that teenagers need to remain 100% abstinent. They are not prepared to deal with the consequences that come with sex, physical and emotions. It is absolutely our responsibility as parents to teach our kids about the sacredness of sex, and ALL the reprocussions that come with engaging in it before you are MATURE and COMMITED (hint: marriage) to the person that you give yourself to. You cannot and should not expect schools or society in general for that matter to teach your children. And only you know the morals that you want to instill in your children. In a perfect world all children would have loving, supportive parents that have open communication with their children and those children would OBEY and wait until they are married.
THAT SAID, we don't live in a perfect world. Kids don't always listen. Even those that come from supportive homes make their own bad decisions sometimes. Unfortunately, no matter what the circumstances are for making those decisions (I love him so much... everyone else is doing it, I want to fit in... my hormones were just out of control, it was an accident!) there are consequences to every action, and unfortunately no one can get them out of those consequences. It is hard, but they did make the decision and in the real world you can't escape consequences.
HOWEVER what I absolutely cannot understand is making a innocent, brand new little baby suffer your consequences.
I cannot and will not condone teen sex, it's not right. Making sure that kids have the education is first and foremost the parents responsibility. Society has the responsibility to protect society. We can't control other peoples actions, but shouldn't we do what we can to avoid bringing other people (the innocent babies they give birth to, other people they unknowingly pass disease on to) into the equation.
I do feel like it condones teen sex giving out condoms in school, and I wish it wasn't necessary. HOWEVER it does happen, you can't deny it. The schools don't have to give them out to everyone because not everyone is going to do it and it shouldn't be assumed that they will. HOWEVER those that are thinking about it know who they are and if they are going to do it anyway, they need to have the option to be "safer" so that they don't drag anyone else into their bad decisions. On that note, I think before it is handed over, they need to know how to properly use it and the consequences that come with premature sex even if you don't catch a disease or get pregnant (not that that will change their decision, but it's still our responsibility).
I'm surprised how many of you agree with me, especially since I think we're a predominantly abstinent crowd. Here's the thing - it's not parents like us that I'm worried about. No matter how we feel, it's obvious we are all concerned, involved parents or future parents. What I'm worried about is a child with neglectful parents who offer no sex education, no restraints and no love. And who would offer no mercy if they find out their child is pregnant. This child may feel morally OK with having sex, especially if it's with someone they love - but they might be scared out of their mind to acquire birth control if it required parental consent. So they take chances, and sometimes they face stark consequences, which all of society pays for.
I don't think they should pass out condoms like candy. I don't think teens should get them without getting literature on the physical and emotional consequences of sex. But I do think they should be available through private channels to those who are already sexually active - especially at a school where 17 girls are already pregnant.
Hopefully, my kids never ask for them so this issue will never affect them. I would never have asked for it. I had made up my mind about being abstinent long before high school. But not everyone shares my same values ... and that's OK.
I, again, have to agree so strongly with Mrs. Dub here. The parents on here are not the ones we're worried about. I have three sons with another on the way. Will I teach my children abstinence until marriage? ABSOLUTELY! Do I think that is the only thing that is morally correct? DEFINITELY!
What you have to remember here is that so many children are not receiving moral direction from their parents. We live in a "do as I say not as I do" society. There are so many teens out there living with a parent who may or may not have even been married to their other parent, may or may not be married to the person they are currently living with, and so forth. What type of an example does this give to those children?
I don't at all think that there should be a free box of condoms in the hallway or they should be given out to every student randomly. There should be discussion involved with a counselor at the school. The teen who goes to the counselor for that information is taking a step in being prepared and thinking about it. We also have to remember like someone else said, although we teach our children properly, they retain their free agency, and may make choices that we wouldn't agree with.
There are enough emotional and mental consequences to teen sex and premarital sex in general, if we can at least avoid imposing further consequences upon an innocent child who had no say in the matter, shouldn't we do that?
I don't think anyone here is saying that they advocate teen sex, but we're realizing that we are living in a very imperfect world and we should do what we can to not only protect our own children, but to protect the children of others who are not as vigilant.
Being a parent is hard. No one realizes that until they actually HAVE one. I thought it would be all fun and cuddles. It is, but it is also freaking HARD. Lack of sleep does funny things to your brain and it tries your relationships with EVERYONE emotionally. I cannot even imagine what it would have been like having a baby when I was first married let alone in high school! I'm glad I waited 4 years. I was good and ready to handle it by then but it did not make it easier by any means!
I agree with you 100 percent. I think abstinence in the home is extremely important BUT some parents think they are teaching their kids enough. I can tell you, I saw people's parents act like their kids were just the greatest and listened to everything they said. Then I'd go hang out with their kids and see that no matter what the parents may have THOUGHT their kids were doing, they were not doing it. Some kids rebel just to rebel. Some kids justify by being in "love." Some kids are stupid. So I agree. You can be the best parent in the world and still have kids who go out and have sex. So why not teach them to stay safe, clean, and baby free?
But I read some comments. I just have to say, I agree with Mrs. Dub again. It isn't the responsible parents I'm worried about. It is the ones who don't explain sex or ANYTHING like it and hope their kids just know. Or the ones who ignore them altogether. I don't think condoms should be passed out in the hallways like on 90210 (remember that episode??) but I do think they should be available.
Also, I think if schools are going to teach it they need to give parents the info ahead of time. By going through it at home with your kids ahead of time they can better understand what they are being taught. Not all parents will do that, but I will. I want to know what they are teaching my kids!
As a teacher of high school teens, I would just like to say that there are so many moments when I am restricted in every way from influencing the kids on almost every level except academics. My very job hangs in the balance each and every day with the things that I CHOOSE to say.
Public tax payer money does not belong on the privates. Let's not forget that our nation is trying to compete academically in a more and more dynamic global environment.
I get paid to teach my content area and nurses get paid to send "sick" kids home so that they don't have to take their tests. Sure, it's good to be a mentor, but ultimately we do exactly what our titles state: teach.
If there is one thing that I have learned in my career as a teacher, it is that kids often (not always, but often) do that which they are expected to do. I have little to no discipline problems in my class because I subscribe to this ideology.
You cannot teach abstinence in one arena and simultaneously distribute condoms in another just in case the kid has a moment of weakness. He's a teenage, he reeks of weakness! That is why he still lives at home. Otherwise his parents would have had him out long beforehand. The point is, therein lies NO clear expectation for him to follow.
Our public schools can only be as good as the people who participate in them. Making people good is the job of the parent, not the school. Sure they might not always follow what they are being taught, but more often than not, they will.
When it comes down to it, this is about personal CHOICE and NOT a matter of public agenda. That is why carrying and distributing condoms is just a pretext for the weak who CHOOSE not to control their passions.
"a pretext for the weak who CHOOSE not to control their passions" ... ??!!
this is what you are calling the students you teach every day? some people aren't raised with your values and actually take sex very seriously, yet still decide to do it at a younger age. a senior high school is practically an adult. you might think that's wrong, but a lot of people think that's OK - and it's not your place to judge. don't impose your morals on society and then complain when you see pregnant teens in the news.
the funny thing is i know people on this board probably slipped up with boyfriends. and yet now you are referring to anyone who succumbs to those natural instincts as weak?
pot - meet kettle.
I'm late to the party, but I just want to throw my two cents in. First, it's surprising to me that most people assume the kids will either get the BC from the parents OR the school. Last I checked, anyone, regardless of age, could buy condoms at the grocery store, drug store or even our beloved Target. So the argument that school distribution of BC encourages or makes it easy for teens to have sex doesn't make sense to me--obtaining BC without parental consent is already as easy as buying candy (in fact, you could get both on the same trip). The problem is, despite this, many sexually active teens aren't using it.
The reason I support BC distribution in schools is that I hope the lure of FREE BC in exchange for a discussion with the school nurse or, at the very least, a pamphlet on teen pregnancy, STDs, etc. might draw in some kids. It would also serve as a basis for some reliable statistics on sexual activity among teenagers (as teens are notorious for lying to those conducting surveys on the topic)--statistics that might result in more effective sex ed, of the abstinence and preventative varieties.
Final note--it is interesting to me that the school in the "pregnancy pact" story already gives out free pregnancy tests, but not BC. That reactive rather than proactive approach clearly failed at that school.
Re: Anonymous
School teacher here. If your goal truly is abstinence, and you succumb to premarital sex, then yes- that is weakness.
Just because you know someone who has slipped up, doesn't make it ok. My wife has a friend who cliff dove head first and broke his neck. He is still a friend, but that was a stupid decision. I think you get the analogy.
Let me apologize to any of whom I may have offended. I will never, however, soften my stance on the ISSUE. Our society is too afraid of the repercussions of a little bit of brutal honesty (or opinionatedness in this case).
Secondly, you are overgeneralizing. Not ALL of my students are weak. Only the ones that succumb. That does not make them weak in ALL areas of life. Sorry for the confusion.
In fact, many of my sex-crazed weaklings are quite strong in their academics, thereby making them strong in that domain.
Lastly, where did I say that I was imposing my morals and then complaining about pregnant teens? My post was about choice and consequence (be it positive or negative). You may be surprised to know that it is not, in fact, the norm to be promiscuous. So many of my students have expressed that to me outside of the classroom. The only imposing I'll be doing in the classroom (or on society for that matter) is my content area. That's what I get paid to do. And since I'm not imposing anything on anyone, it IS therefore my place to pass PERSONAL judgment as an anonymous blog reader.
Anonymity sure is a good friend (and obviously I see that you agree Mr./Mrs./Ms./Miss Anonymous). It allows me to hide some of my identity. So as long as I am hiding behind this facade, and you behind yours, for all you know I just might be a frying pan or a casserole dish, and neither a pot nor a kettle at all.
selfishly, i don't care how much sex they have ...as long as they place.
:)
I know I'm late on this topic, and I'm not sure anyone will get it, but I have to speak to what is "normal".
We know several Indians and my husband has spent time in India. It is the norm for both partners to be virgins upon marriage, completely disregard of social class or standing. And it's not like american 50's nor can you blame it on "christian guilt" The women there are highly educated and most of the population is not Christian. But they don't allow the promiscuous messages in their media that are so prevelant that bombard our children/teenagers/spouses here.
Unfortunately, we can't go back. We should have stood up against it decades ago.
Birth control in schools? I just think it's sad that this has to be a discussion.
So to Ann, we've created this "Norm" by allowing such messages to become comonplace in our society. It did not have to become the norm.
Dear Mrs. Dubb,
I am Emily (acte gratuit)'s SIL, and I was talking with her, and I have a request. Not that you have to assist me.
We have 6 kids and are facing the decision of Ritalin with our second youngest.
This stresses me out and, I am but a LOWLY blogger and well... you are FAMOUS!
We have extenuating circumstances... we adopted our children from the foster care system, so our child has been Meth exposed. I am not sure if that makes a difference.
If you feel Ritalin is a topic you would ever want to address, I would love to read it.
I want to know if I would be judged, or if it is acceptable to everyone now.
thx!!!!!
Chrissy
aka (Christina Fox Call)
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