12.18.2007

HTT - Santa Edition

M-ware made a festive suggestion for the Hot Topic today, and considering it's the last HTT before Christmas Day, I want to oblige. I'm only hesitant because the issue got hashed out a bit last year on Leslie's blog, and while I found it all very fascinating, I was also surprised to learn that some of my real and blogosphere friends had very different views. So with an agreement to disagree, let's commence:

Santa Claus. Papa Noel. Saint Nick. The jolly guy who shouldn't be smoking a pipe, but - hey! - it's Christmas. Whatever you call him, he's (shhh ... spoiler alert!) a mythical character who parents use to elicit better behavior from their kids throughout the year and to generate awe during the Christmas season. And, let me tell you, I love the guy!

Now, apparently, some people take issue with the fact that parents are, in essence, lying to their children. Also, that his presents-down-the-chimney charisma and/or jellylike belly eclipse the true meaning of Christmas, which is, of course, Jesus Christ's birth and life. And I get their concern. The rampant materialism that has overtaken Christmas over the centuries and even in my lifetime is a bit worrisome. People put on huge gift-giving productions and many are more stressed by Christmas than they enjoy it. (Much less in tune with the Spirit and peace.)

Here's how we deal with that at our house: Every night as I put Miss Dub to sleep I tell her the story of Jesus, how excited people were that he was born, how he lived a great life and died for us. Then, I talked about how people are still so happy about Jesus that they celebrate him every year at Christmas. And that one of the people happiest about Jesus' birth is a man called Santa Claus, who delivers presents to children to help them feel the joy of the special season. Just like that, but with more hand motions and basic vocabulary.

And one day, when she looks skeptically at me, we'll have a hushed conversation about how Santa Claus, as she probably has figured out, is just a story but a great one that helps children feel the magic of Christmas before they can recognize the Spirit for themselves. And then she'll sign a contract that promises she'll never reveal the secret to younger siblings or all Christmas presents that year will be revoked. Or she'll get a hug. I haven't quite decided yet.

But I'm going to go along with the Santa Claus conspiracy until then, just like parents have been doing for centuries. It's a cultural rite of passage, and one of few that our nation has left. Not to go Carl Jung on you all, but I truly believe that Santa Claus is an inherent part of children's imagination. For example, before I'd ever explained the concept, I bought Miss Dub a cheap board book about Santa and she instantly starting kissing the cover and laughing. And she hasn't stopped gawking at anything Santa-esque in stores. Same goes for any pictures of Jesus or nativity scenes.

Sorry to ramble, but I just want to be clear on my viewpoint. As I said, each to her own, but I just don't want there to be an anti-Santa revolution. Not only because small children WILL spoil the secret for other children, but because I think Santa isn't a materialistic, deceptive creation but an inspired character who represents the wonder, awe and true meaning of Christmas.

So don't be haters, even if you're not believers.

And don't be surprised if you find a lump of coal in your stocking this year.

Just kidding, of course.

But, seriously, let us know where you stand. I'm curious to better understand why some people don't do the Santa thing and others embrace it to the nth degree, complete with fake footsteps in the snow.


Happy Holidays!


33 comments:

Lindsey from The R House said...

as kids, we asked my mom about the legitimacy of st. nick all the time. to which she would respond, "i believe in the spirit of giving." it kind of became a game. cherished memories.

we sent our letters to santa every year (and still do via email ...although they always seem to end up in mom's inbox), my parents still get up in the night to eat santa's cookies, put a little soot on the plate and leave the loot. i would be crushed if they didn't and i'm 28.

as a teacher in utah county (where all my students celebrated christmas), we were able to speak of santa. there was always one smart-a kid who thought he would ruin the magic for the rest of the kids and inform everyone that there was no santa. jerk.

i'm all for letting people tell their kids whatever they want (it is our mission to make tyson believe that you eat filet mignon on thanksgiving and not turkey since we both hate turkey), but if you are not going to let your kids believe in santa, you should also not let your kids ruin the magic for those of us that do.

if your parents didn't let you believe in santa, the magic of it is most likely hard for you to understand. i feel bad for you as it made my third grade students glow with wonder and their eyes widen as we read stories like "The Polar Express." no matter how many times they had heard it, they were silent and still during the story.

they can still hear the bell ringing.

Katrina said...

Yeah, I'm a non-believer. It's my dad's fault. Before I can even remember I asked him if Santa was real and he told me no. But even though we always knew Santa wasn't real we still played the game and left out cookies and all that. I never felt jipped of anything. I just don't really get the point of making a big deal out of a mythical person. I think Christ is much more important and it can get confusing to kids. One of my friends told me that when he found out Santa wasn't real as a child, he asked his mom, "Well is God real?"

Angy said...

santa still comes to my house... and i'm 26. i'll leave it that way... forever! :)

LCM said...

I love the big chubby guy. Both of my girls believe and he's part of my favorite memories as a child. It didn't matter that we had 9 kids and not a lot of money. 3 presents each and you are talking 27 presents automatically under the tree. In our house, if you don't believe in Santa, you aren't getting any presents. I even make hubby fill up my stocking. I am not lying to my kids and I never felt betrayed when I found out, I felt a little like Nancy Drew. Mom forgot to take off the address label when wrapping a present 'from' Santa. I enjoyed encouraging the belief of my many brothers and sisters.

tara said...

I agree with ya Mrs. Dub. "Saint Nicholas" was a real person from whom "santa Claus" stems (see:http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=38)
If you read that, you will see that he was a good man who loved Children and spent his life helping those in need.
I really like the idea a friend of mine had. She gives her children 3 gifts (a gift of Love, Knowledge and Joy) Alas, I'll really have to reform my shopping plan and plan way ahead to stick to that. A while ago I thought of just giving 3 gifts, like the Savior got "gold, frankincense and myrrh." But hadn't applied the theme to each.

Anyway... my rule is, as long as the older kids keep believing they will receive! (and not ruin it for the younger ones!) I totally agree that it teaches a good principle, that of giving.

liz said...

My parents weren't big on Santa -- there would be a gift from him with "from Santa" in my mother's handwriting -- and I was all set to not really push it with my kids. Then my oldest came home from preschool at age four and told ME all about Santa. I wasn't going to ruin it for him at that point.

Now that kid is ten, and this is the first year it has occurred to him that Santa might be in the same category as the tooth fairy (he isn't slow, just sweet). The sad thing is, once the oldest figures it out, it's a little hard to keep the illusion going for the younger siblings. We'll keep leaving cookies for Santa and "reindeer food" on the lawn though.

Oh, and at my house, Santa only leaves one (big) unwrapped gift. The rest of the loot, including the stocking stuff comes from Mom and Dad -- I just refuse to give him credit for all of my hard work!

Natalie said...

AMEN Mrs. Dub - you hit how I feel right on the head.
And another AMEN to Mrs. R - every time I watch Polar Express (which is approaching 100 times, thanks to a certain little boy at my house who's 4.5) I get the chills something fierce! I also love what your mom used to say - "I believe in the spirit of giving" - LOVE that.
It makes me sad to hear about kids like mentioned in Katrina's entry - seriously parents, if you've done your job right, your kids will have felt the spirit on numerous occasions and they'll KNOW what's real and what's just for fun.

sara said...

Now that our oldest is 7 1/2, of course if he asked us flat out we'll tell him the truth. So far he still buys it, I guess until a friend at school spills the beans. In my family growing up, I was the oldest & I'm pretty sure I didn't spoil it for anyone else - I think that once you find out, you still want to believe. My mom tells me that I figured it out the year that Santa had brought me a Polaroid camera which was defective and we had to exchange it at the store - but I remember many more years of magic and wonderment after that year. A few years after the Polaroid we got a puppy, and I don't recall doubting that it came from St. Nick.

So yes, I'm all for Santa :)

hilari said...

LET SANTA LIVE!

Morgan said...

i love the idea of santa, he does represent a certain spirit of christmas which i love. i know that i knew santa wasn't real when i was a kid, but don't know when or how i found out, and it definitely didn't matter. i kept it up with my fam for my little sisters. now it is my job to place all the presents under the tree in an aesthetically pleasing manner on christmas eve, after all the kiddies are in bed, just as Santa would, i'm sure. my youngest sister is 14, and while i'm positive she doesn't really believe in santa, last year we found a precious note to "santa". it was very personal and full of love and concern for one of our sisters who is struggling with our church principles. anything, myth or not, that inspires people to be more vulnerable and loving cannot be a bad thing.

i really like that idea about giving 3 gifts to each child. what a great way to tie the savior into gift giving even more! i think i might have to "borrow" that idea!! my husband would love it, as he gets a little bugged sometimes by the materialism of it all!!

Colleen said...

We don't make a big deal about Santa with our two-year-old, but he's obviously part of Christmas. I don't think I'll ever tell him Santa's real if he asks me outright, but as long as he's blissfully unaware, I'll let it be.

Lizzie said...

When I was born my parents decided to not do the whole Santa thing and go with the fact that he represents the spirit of Christmas but is not real. By the time I could talk I was telling them that I knew he was real and they couldnt convince me otherwise. Fact is that I wanted to believe, have something to daydream about and imagine.

I like your viewpoint and approach on the subject. I am in agreement 100%.

AC said...

Mrs D, you put it very well. And, I love Santa.

Heidi said...

I'm with Liz--don't let Santa take away your glory!

I used to have the majority of my kids' presents be from Santa. The pajamas were from me and my husband. But now their "big" present is from Santa and the rest is from me and my husband.

I've also found this is great when they ask why some kids don't get as much at Christmas, because Santa isn't showing favorites . ..

Carrie said...

I think the declining belief in Santa is a direct reflection of our children's loss of innocence... just kidding. Well, I guess I'm only sort of kidding. I think it's CRAZY how young kids are when they learn the 'truth' about Santa. Kinda sad really. I think over 1/2 of our congregation at church don't do Santa period. Hope they can keep their big mouths shut!

I say let innocence and Santa live!

acte gratuit said...

When Max was around 3 he asked me "Is Santa real?"
I said, "No". He then proceeded to burst into tears and say "YES HE IS!!!" Since then, there's been no going back. We're pro Santa. But we're also pro Jesus and pro Nativity. So we try at every opportunity to link Christmas presents and Christmas symbols with Jesus.

Re: the three gift thing. My oldest sister does that, only her kids get one gift from Santa, one from Jesus, (usually a church book or something) and one from Mom and Dad. How's that for sharing the glory?

steph said...

long live santa.

Heather said...

i *heart* Santa.

melissa walker said...

I think Santa is part of the magic of Christmas, of hoping you'll get that one thing you've been wanting all year. We should teach our children the true meaning of Christmas--and teach it all year round. I want my kids to know how great it feels to give--to each other and those in need.
Also for us, Santa becomes the once-a-year event when they can dream something big!
My dad sat me down (around age 10) and said that while Santa is very real to some people and miracles do happen at Christmas, for us, "Santa" was Mom and Dad. He even taught us about "being Santa."
My husband's aunt shared her present idea with us, and it's fun to do. Give 4 presents: Something they want, something they need, something to wear, something to read. They also get one big thing, unwrapped, from Santa. It is probably more fun for me to see their little eyes light up when they see what Santa brought and find the "evidence" of him being there.

Anonymous said...

If you don't do Santa, then I guess you don't do the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy either? You might as well just knock out Halloween while your at it!

We do Santa all the way. He brings one big unwrapped present for each girl, he fills stockings, and he bring smaller wrapped toys under the tree. Mom and Dad usually give clothes and books. I think most of December we focus on the Savior. We talk about the Nativity story, we go to see the lights at the temple, we sing carols before bed, etc. But on Christmas day, we see that Santa has eaten the cookies, his reindeer have been on the lawn, and he has dropped off a whole bunch of loot. Santa is a part of Christmas. But my kids know WAY more about Christ and His birth than the mysterious Santa Clause. I think it works out perfectly.

Jen said...

We just read in our chicken poop for the soul daily calendar about a girl that was deathly afraid of Santa, so her mom told her, "Honey, I am Santa." So the little girl went to school and said, "Teacher, I'm worried about my mom. She thinks she's Santa Claus!"

Leslie said...

since my overblown panic over santa last year, and because of my husband's advice to chill out and get over it, it's not that big of a deal, we're still in the same spot. not a whole lot of santa decorations, not a whole lot of santa talk, but they still believe in him and he is definitely bringing fun stuff. not that i would know or anything. :)
it's magical and it's so much fun and i'm not planning on taking that away any time soon. thanks for the htt!

Mandee said...

I can't even discuss not believing in or teaching your kids about Santa. I just don't get it.

janaya said...

WHAT!?!!? santa's not real?!?!

:P

come on... it was only a matter of time, before someone said it.

i'm all for santa. i plan to make santa a part of my family traditions. DEFINITELY. i'm also all for honesty (please, no rehashing my Target scandal... i really am an honest person)... so i say, if my child is at the stage where they're figuring that sort of thing out (regardless of age), i will try to find a way to keep the spirit alive, but not flat out lie to them if they ask. that's my opinion. my parents were honest when i asked, and then just brought me in on the secret. made me feel grown up in a way. i remember it. but i don't think it killed the fun of santa for me, even once i knew the truth. i still expect to see a few from santa under the christmas tree this year. :) don't ask me how he gets down my parents electric fireplace.

Unknown said...

we all know that christmas wouldn't be the same without santa. take it from a teenager-person; any parents out there who think that they should tell their kids that santa isn't "real" are dumb. (sorry, i'm in a "mood" right now.) its part of christmas, all kids eventually figure it out. but it isntills an imagination in kids and a kid without an imagination is a mini adult. (a boring one...i happen to know adults with imaginations too!)

so yeah.
i love santa.

Mrs. Dub said...

i know we're all being really pro-Santa here, but anyone out there want to help us understand the other side? i'm starting to wonder if anyone doesn't do santa ...

The Millers said...

I'm up way too late. I just finished making my neighborhood gifts, and decided to check on the HTT. Had to comment on this one.

We don't talk about Santa much at our house. I think it is because of how betrayed I felt when I found out that Santa wasn't real. When I was in 3rd grade, whether or not Santa was real was a hot topic at our school. One of the teachers, Mrs. Keeley, had us all in her classroom one day, and told us that she had been to the North Pole, met Santa and his elves, etc. I was a bit skeptical, and so afterwards I went up to her and asked her to promise me that she was telling the truth, that she had REALLY been to the North Pole, and that she had REALLY met Santa. She promised. So for a couple of years after that, I was Santa's biggest defender. If anyone tried to convince me that Santa wasn't real, I just told them that I knew he was because Mrs. Keeley had met him. I'm not really sure at what point it was, but it was my parents who had to crush me by informing me that not only was Santa not real, but that meant that my beloved Mrs. Keeley had lied to me. Even reliving this today brings back strange feelings -- it was so sad for me to feel like an authority figure, someone I totally believed and trusted, had lied to me. ugh.

So, to now. I love Christmas. Of course we have nativities around the house, we read religious based Christmas stories (one of our favorites being "The Christmas Miracle of Jonathan Toomey"), and we talk about the birth of the Savior. My eldest was actually born on Christmas, so we always talk about how she is extra special because she gets to share her birthday with the day we celebrate Christ's birth. We don't really talk about Santa. We haven't really had to. Our Christmas girl is getting old enough that she is learning about Santa in school, and my middle child knows about Santa somehow. And to be honest, I thought it was so cute last night when Santa came at the end of the preschool Christmas program, and my middle child was so excited that Santa was there. I'm fine with the idea of Santa -- I certainly don't think there is anything inherently evil with him. And it has been nice these past few weeks whenever we are at Target and the kids are begging for me to get them something to be able to say, "You'll have to ask Santa." But I don't want to focus on him either. They will hear about him at school and from friends, and then one day they will hear that he isn't real, and if they ask me, I certainly won't lie about it. And I'm with Liz -- why should Santa get all the credit?

Katrina said...

So I came back and read all these comments and want to comment again. I'm actually surprised how pro-Santa everyone is. I think there is a happy medium between what a lot of you are saying and not doing Santa at all. As I said before, even though I never believed in him, we still all pretended. We still left out the cookies and note and reindeer tracks. We still had some presents that my parents said were from him. But we also knew it was pretend. I don't agree with trying to convince children of Santa's realness. I don't like hearing that if the kids don't believe, they won't get presents. I think Santa's fun, but needs to be put in perspective. Same goes for the tooth fairy and the easter bunny. I would never not do those things with my kids, but I'm also not going to tell them lies to convince them they are real.

Lindsey from The R House said...

...and i remember when i finally got it out of my mom that she and dad were santa instead of getting her usual "i believe in the spirit of giving" answer. i felt like i had officially joined the grown-up club. it was cool. i wasn't crushed and i didn't doubt if God was real--i guess i was smart enough to separate the two and i had had experiences with the Spirit by then. even if i was lied to by my teachers (i can't remember anything specific) i gave the whole adult world props for all joining in together to pull it off. it really is amazing from that point of view.

and this is coming from a kid that would pray and pray and pray every christmas eve that i wouldn't hear or see santa because i was terrified of him. but, i am also still scared of ET. go figure. if only my parents had told me that aliens weren't real either.

Carolyn said...

I have a fabulous book to link Santa with Christ called A Gift From St. Nicholas by Christine Bolley. Santa's cool and fun, but I also don't think you need to promote him that much for kids to get the idea--he's all over so they get it! I would never go so far to say that I'm "passionate" about Santa, but it's fun. By the way, my 6 year old son is terrified of E.T. as well! I keep blaming Grandma who made him watch the movie!

janaya said...

wait... aliens aren't real either?!!? ;)

Leisha Mareth said...

I missed out on this yesterday, but we believe in Santa in our house. When the time comes we'll let our kids know that it is their job to keep Santa's spirit of giving and love alive because he can't do it all by himself! That's why parents and older siblings help him out so much!

lrbodine said...

I am a supportor of Santa! My husband and I discussed this before our daughter was even born and both agreed that we like Santa because of what he represents - the spirit of giving. And that is what we want to teach our children during this season.

I have some family members on my husband's side that do not do Santa. Their reasoning is that they first of all want their kids to know that they were the ones who brought the presents to them. (which is selfish in our opinion) and second of all - they feel like it's lying to their kids.

I always felt like my parents balanced the Christmas season really well with Santa never overshadowing Christ. And I wasn't upset when I found out Santa wasn't real!

But like other posters have said - I have no problem with other people do but don't let your kids ruin what my kids believe in!