11.13.2007

HTT - Extracurricular edition


First, thanks for all your fun feedback from yesterday. Shoot, I think Mel will keep HTT thriving for years to come with all her ideas. And I think you all convinced me that I don't necessarily need to blog less, I just need to stop expecting my blogs to be hilarious anecdotes or inspiring revelations. Sometimes they might just be a pic; Sometimes, there might be nothing, and that's OK. I'll stop short of the "You like me, you really like me!" impersonation because I've disliked Sally Field since my mother once compared me to her as a teenager, as if we were in the same peer group. ("Don't worry, honey! Lots of young people have arthritis. Sally Field, for example!")

Second, I'm really not that skinny, people. I think my face is just getting old, which means my chipmunk cheeks are now sinking into my face. Let's face it, we all can't look as young as Sally Field!

Third, you know it's a good HTT when someone suggests the topic to Mr. Dub and I, and we promptly get into an argument about it. Then again, we're pretty good at debating in our household. I don't suppose it would surprise you if I told you I'm a bit stubborn in my opinions?

So here's the topic: How far should you push your kids? Specifically, in extracurricular things. We all know that Tiger Woods is an amazing golfer, due in part to a father who bred him to be an amazing golfer. The guy had no choice. He probably doesn't even know if he ever wanted to be something else. Golf was his destiny ... or so his father decided.

Other kids are thrown into a million extracurricular events in hopes that they will be balanced and talented and, presumably, more marketable as college applicants. Sometimes the children are happy to be so involved, other times not so much. And most probably wouldn't notice if they had a few less lessons and a bit more playtime.

But it's a tough situation. You don't want to let your kids give up on an extracurricular pursuit just because it's challenging or because they're not the best at it. Some of the best athletes and musicians failed in the beginning or needed a little prodding.

But I say you shouldn't force a child to continue with something if he/she has made a valiant effort at it and still isn't having fun - even if they're really good at it. I also don't think you should get your kids involved in more than 2-3 extra things for fear of crowding out basic childhood experiences, like building forts. And, finally, I definitely think you have to examine your motives and make sure you aren't trying to live vicariously through your child. I mean, as Mr. Toys R. Us once said, "Let a kid be a kid!"

Mr. Dub, however, disagrees with me a bit. He thinks that you shouldn't let a child quit when they're displaying natural talent at something. And that you shouldn't let them stop just because they aren't having fun. He also says that our boys can never pursue dancing or acting, but I'm assuming he's joking. Right?

What do you all think?

How much is too much when it comes to extracurricular activities? How can you determine if your child is giving up or making the right decision to quit? And, finally, do you think amazing athletes and musicians are made from pushy parents? Or do you think you can be a star these days with an average amount of encouragement?

C'mon, my marriage is riding on this! Joking ... mostly joking.



p.s. Looking for a good read? Go here, where I'm of no help whatsoever.

34 comments:

steph said...

i was never pushed into doing anything. maybe i didn't show any natural ability at anything... who knows?

i think that kids should be encouraged to join sports or clubs, but these things are for fun and social development. if a kid hates getting kicked in the shins in soccer, let him out... even if he is good at it.

i'm with ya, mrs. dub.

Heather said...

I played sports from a very young age, I loved it. I even went to college on an athletic scholarship. It was exciting for me. My brother on the other hand went to college to play football, college was never his thing. He was forced by my Father and it was a bad thing. After 1 year he left school with a huge debt for something he didn't even want to do.
It wasn't until I was older that I realized how much "pushing" my parents were doing. When I decided to stop playing at the collegiate level, my Father was heartbroken and still gives me crap about it.

I am all for allowing children to try new sports, music or whatever. I am not for pushing them until they hate it. We will have a rule in our house, once you start a season of a sport you must complete the season. Playing on teams cost money and I think by letting them quit you are sending bad messages (it's ok to waste money and you can quit).

Carrie said...

I didn't do any sports, music, or extracurricular activities for more than a year. I kind of regret it because I think maybe I'd be a healthier person today if I had learned more discipline while I was younger.

Having said that, I honestly think it depends on the kid. My husband was a kid you had to reign in and say, "This is too much for you." But it would've been great if my parents urged me to stick with something.

My kiddos are too young for this to worry me too badly, but I think my rule of thumb will be that they have to ask to do something, without prompting from me.

I took a psych class in college and we discussed how someone becomes a genius or a prodigy in a certain thing (say chess, for example) and it isn't inherent, it isn't genetic. It's from obsessively practicing and recognizing patterns that will help the child perform faster in that area. So Tiger Woods wouldn't have been a golf prodigy if his dad hadn't obsessed. And I'm sure Tiger is crying about his obsessive father all the way to the bank.

I guess it comes down to who you want your kids to be. If you want a scholarship winning student athlete, you're gonna push them to get that and that will be your focus and your goal. There was a conference talk a while ago about how we should be raising missionaries. I like that phrase. So that's my goal-to raise missionaries- and anything beyond that is just gravy!

Angy said...

i think kids should be encouraged to join some kind of extra cirricular activity as long as it seems like something their interested in. they shouldn't be forced and it should really be for fun... they are kids afterall. however i'm with heather on the finishing the season. joining things costs a lot of money and they need to at least finish the season out.

Anonymous said...

Oh man, this has been a topic of discussion at our house lately...ever since conference. I think kids should be encouraged NOT pushed. It seems to me that sports are no longer fun. Kids are forced to chose ONE activity if they want to excel, and once they chose their activity they are married to it. Which involves: Club teams, playing on Sunday, practicing before and after school. It's crazy.

But that's not my main concern...my main concern is the amount of time spent in the car after school (for mom). My sister in law says it best. If EVERYONE (all other siblings, mom, and child involved) are not enjoying the experience, then something needs to go.

Sarah S said...

I had the opposite of being pushed in my family... I started violin lessons at age 4 (with the TINIEST violin and loved it) but had to stop at age 8 when my brother got leukemia and life basically stopped for the next five years as he went through chemo, bone marrow transplant, and then dealt with complications from having a compromised immune system. I always wanted to take classes like ballet or gymnastics and play on teams like softball or soccer, but it wasn't ever a possibility with how crazy things were during my childhood.

In high school, I think my mom tried to make up for that and let me do cheerleading (even though in the beginning I was SO horrifyingly bad and prob. just made the squad because I was small). My mom brought my brother (and my dad when he could) to every single football/basketball game and cheer competition to show their support. However, once spring came and I wanted to try out for soccer, my mom put her foot down and said she couldn't handle any more driving back and forth to practices, games, etc. I was crushed!

Now I realize it's hard to balance what you want as a parent with what your children want. But I plan on giving Eli and future kdis every opportunity to participate in sports, dance, whatever sounds fun to him (as long as our schedule isn't too insane!)

Leslie said...

i'm totally with lynn on this one. if the activities in which my kids are involved cut too much into quiet, peaceful free time AT HOME, then we don't go for it. i have my 6 year old involved in two extracurriculars (well, 3 kind of): an after-school art class once a week, 1/2 hour piano lesson, and 1/2 hour horseback riding lesson. this is definitely the limit, both financially and time-wise. the problem is that she LOVES all three, and i hate to discourage her from doing something she loves. she wants to do ballet, but A. we can't afford it, and B. we'd never see her, and C. I don't want to drive anymore than i already do.
we did try out soccer for her for one season, and we had to make her finish the season. but i figured, we'd never know if she liked it if we didn't try.
so our rule is to try to keep it to 2 activities. i practically live in my car, and this has been hard for my baby, so i'm looking forward to the next week off of school. NO CAR FOR US!! hooray.

liz said...

I grew up in a family of "overachievers" for lack of a better term. My parents weren't what I would consider pushy. We often discussed that you should do YOUR best, not necessarily be THE best.

These are hard choices. What drives me crazy is that the multiple activities start so, so young now. You feel like if your kids don't start soccer or ballet at age four, they'll be behind. I'm definitely in favor of limiting outside activities, focusing on the family, and encouraging instead of pushing.

The Millers said...

I've been reading your blog for a month or so, and now feel the urge to comment (I found you through Sarah Severson -- we were roommates in college).
My parents provided me with so many opportunities to try anything and everything. I played every sport at one time or another, until it became vastly apparent that I had absolutely no talent in that field. I was sick of being humiliated, so my participation in sports ended. I wanted to be an ice skater, and took ice skating lessons for a few years. I expressed interest in music, and took both piano and singing lessons and participated in choirs. I expressed an interest in dance, and took dance lessons for years, which led me to dance in high school. I was also encouraged in civic things, and held offices, was on committees, etc. Then fast forward to college. In high school I felt like I was pretty talented. But then I got to BYU, and realized that everyone there played the piano, sang, danced, had held office, etc. And since I had done several things pretty well, there wasn't any one thing that I did extremely well. I felt a little sad that I wasn't a great piano player or a great singer or a great dancer, just a well-rounded individual. Now, as an adult, I realize how lucky I was that my parents provided me an opportunity to try everything I showed an interest in, and many things I wasn't that interested in. A lot of people don't have that opportunity. Sometimes I still wish that I had one thing that was MY thing, that I felt like I was just fantastic at, but I like being able to dabble in many things as well.
My aunt and I were just talking about this same topic. She was a dancer and a cheerleader, so got her only daughter involved in dance at a young age. Well, Hilary wasn't loving it, but Jo really wanted her to stick with it. After a few years of Hil complaining, Jo finally relented and let her quit. Now Hil is in high school, and doesn't feel like she is a good enough dancer to be on the dance team or a cheerleader, and resents her mom a little for not pushing her and making her stick with it. Jo wanted to make her stick with it, but didn't want to be labeled as one of those parents who pushed their kids or who are trying to live through their kids. So sad. Who knows what the answer is? I eagerly await the comments of others.

The Millers said...

Me again -- sorry to write again, since my last comment was so long. I just really felt like one of the themes of this last GC was that less is more, and that kids should be at home more and involved in less. I think it is great advice, but it is also a bit contradictory with other counsel we receive, like to magnify our talents. And today to get into collge, including BYU, extracurricular activities are key to getting accepted. So how do you find the balance?

sara said...

I think you can magnify your talents without being so busy. The over-involvement of kids these days is a subject I feel very strongly about and don't want to get too worked up about here... but it seems like most of the comments so far have been on the same page. I never played sports, just piano, and never regretted not having done the sports. My son doesn't care much about sports and if he really wants to join a team we'll let him, but I think it's healthy to have him home most afternoons, enjoying his free time by riding his bike up and down the street, and playing with his siblings. He's taking piano and doing very well with it, which makes me quite happy... I think one or two extracurriculars at a time is enough. Sorry my thoughts aren't coming together more smoothly...

Lacey said...

I think that my thoughts seem to be right in the middle of the two schools of thought. I, however, only have a 2-year-old so I am sure that as real life steps in my understanding on the subject could change a bit.

I think that kids should be allowed to choose what they want to be involved in, what they think will be fun, and what they feel they are good at. However, I think that once they have committed to a team, a season, or to me that they will finish what they have started that quitting is NOT an option, no matter how much they decide they dont like it or how good they are not I think that it is important to finish. Once the season or the committed time period is over, and they have a good reason for not wanting to start again, besides "its hard" that is fine, but they must finish their original commitment. I think that even if someone is naturally talented at something, but finds only misery in it, than it isn't worth it at the moment. They might come across it again in the future and give it another try but forcing a child to start something they don't find joy in I don't think is helping develop confidence or support.

I also think that kids are so over scheduled today with sports, piano, church activities, school activities, etc. that they don't get the be kids. They don't get to ride bikes, skin knees, build forts, or run around. I think that it is important for kids to have structure and not just run around the neighborhood at will but I also think that it is important to let kids enjoy being kids, enjoy "playing," enjoy a little free time, enjoy childhood.

P Daddy said...

For every Tiger Woods or Payton Manning, there's a Todd Marinovich. For every Jody Foster or Jennifer Love Hewitt (I think those are positive examples) there's a Britney Spears or a Lindsay Lohan. Stage or sideline parents can be helpful or hurtful to the development of talent and the emotional health of the child, and the answer I think is in shades of gray rather than black and white. I think the Spirit is the key.

Few people reach great accomplishment, irrespective of talent or interest, without some serious shoves and criticism along the way whether it comes from parents, teachers, or coaches. Practice isn't instinctly enjoyable for everyone.

I guess the real issue for me is whether most of the push should come from in the home or be left to outside experts. I hate to see berating parents on the sidelines.

As a talent deficient individual, who is good at most things but not excellent at anything, really gifted people make me nervous with their genious, whether intellectual, musical, or athletic. I was always happier with kids that were kids and just liked doing a lot of things. I think they ended up well adjusted (Mrs. Dub is a fine example), but maybe they had talents where they could have been prodigies if I had pushed.

Layton Mom said...

My dad never participated in extracurricular activities and really encouraged my siblings and I to do so. so much so that I was involved in everything. Now I wish that I had just chosen one or two to really excel at. (Although I did go to college on a cheer scholarship.) My brothers were pushed harder than my sister or me and I hated the stress that it put on them and their realtionship. I have sworn to never do that to my children. Currently my 4 year old is taking a dance class once a week for 30 minutes, and for now that is all I can handle.

Anonymous said...

This subject is basically on my mind all of the time, as a mother of 4 children. Finding the balance between magnifying a child's God-given talents and letting them be plain old kids, AND oh, doing homework, and please don't forget instilling the perfect work ethic by having them do ample chores at home is seriously the ultimate parenting challenge. But like P. Daddy said, the Spirit is the key. However, separating the promptings of the Spirit from my personal emotions is also tough, too. Can they get patriarchial blessings right when they're born so we know what to focus on? :) Here's a classic example--my 12 year old son stopped taking piano lessons 3 months ago because his football practices were taking away all of his free time. Football is almost over and I want him to go back to piano immediately, but he's not enthusiastic. His piano teacher is a professor at our local university who told me a year ago that he had the most natural, innate, piano ability of any student she had ever taught. I literally cry when I hear piano music because it breaks my heart that he doesn't care that much about it like he used to a few years ago. I feel like I'm letting his gift go unused and that a few years from now I will see in some dramatic fashion how poorly I did as a parent. BUT, its going to be so tough to get this child to practice! And I'm pregnant with our 5th child and our 2nd son is severely handicapped and requires full-time care. Perhaps I'll hire a "practice monitor" of sorts for my reluctant pianist. And maybe for a few extra bucks she'll do laundry, too.

Kelley Bochman Smith said...

I'm glad that my mom forced me to practice the flute when the going got tuff. I had to experience the "if you put hard work into it, you will get better at it", and I don't know if I would have done that on my own. It's a lot of work to help your kids excel and it's not always fun. I didn't let my kids quit something (Girl Scouts, sports, musical instruments, etc.) until after their commitment for the season, year and so forth. Sometimes they wanted to continue and the urge had gone, or they did quit because the activity wasn't for them. And quitting can mess up whatever organization you are working with, quitting is a lousey character trait. (OK, I know that sometimes the circumstances require it, but seldom does that happen) Anyway, I guess that the whole living to be able to receive those gut spiritual feelings to know when to push your kids and when not to is the key.

Melanie M. McKinnon said...

this is interesting because robby and i have discussed it before. he was the 8th of 9 kids so his parents were pretty burnt out by the time he got into school and he never did any sports or anything extra curricular. and once he got older, he couldn't if he wanted to because he had to work to keep his car and insurance that he was soley responsible for.

neither one of us want our kids to have to give up fun for work in their teenage years as much as he did, but we agree that working is good and a necessity at certain levels for our kids.

i grew up in a small town where the town pushed you into sports. it was unbelieveable. i've never seen parents so angry at refs during our basketball games when we were 10. everyone's parents were into pushing their kids except mine and it didn't bother me one bit cuz i felt the pressure my friends got. yuck.

on the other hand, i was also a quitter when things got tough. my mom always allowed me to quit things if i wasn't happy except piano. she didn't give me a choice on that until high school and i'm still glad because it's an excellent skill to have for so many different reasons.

but we always weighed the pros and cons before i made final quitting decisions about anything else and it was great and i plan to do the same with my kids since they are bound to be quitters.

so i think robby and i balance each other out in different ways as i think you and your Mr. will when the time comes.

but who is HE to say your boys can NEVER be actors or dancers?! that is a good way to give a boy a complex to last his whole life and associate with, what could be, his lifelong passion. you tell him that from me and i'll argue with him about it. with the passion you both have, i think your kids will have no trouble determining what they want to do. i wish robby or i had that kind of determination.

another success! hooray for HTT! :)

Jessi said...

You summed up my feelings exactly. Tell Mr. Dub YOU are right. :)

Jaime said...

I think it totally depends on the kid. If they are going to be painfully unhappy doing something even if they are amazing at it, they've already decided they don't want to get better. I think you can push them but there is a point where you should stop. And if your kids hate extracaricular activities MAKE them do them anyways. Otherwise they will be socially inapt, and to me there is nothing worse.

Leisha Mareth said...

2 points of view:

1. I was once really good at violin. First chair, natural talent (i.e. no practicing at home), and I won lots of competitions and was in the state honor orchestra.

I hated the orchestra director. I hated having to go to school early to orchestra rehearsals. I hated how the more serious I got the more it cut into my "social" time and I worried it made me look too nerdy.

My parents let me quit. I tried to pick it back up in college, but it was just never the same, and I never had the time to get back up to speed.

It is a major regret and I hold a bit of resentment towards my parents for letting me quit even though I loved them for it at the time.

2. My son played 3 or 4 seasons of soccer. He was sick of it. We were sick of it. He has a lots of natural athletic talent, but we let him quit. He is just barely 6 yrs. old. We want him to try every sport and then he can choose one to pursue if he so chooses. It was just taking over our lives.

In both cases, parents let their kids quit, but I think my parents were wrong and I was right. So I guess for me it depends on the age and if the kid chose it himself and how much time has been invested. At certain junctures I think kids need their parents to motivate until they are old enough to self-motivate, or least don't let your kid quit because it's cutting into social time and they think they look nerdy.

Lindsey from The R House said...

our son is half black, a quarter white European mutt and a quarter Ukrainian. he looks black. he is even showing signs of an all out afro.

people tell him he is an athlete all the time. i wonder if it is because he is black or if it's because he's mr. r's son.

i tell them he can be a florist if he wants to.

and p.s. my mom never let us quit something in the middle of season. "you made a commitment to the team, now get in the car for practice." she wouldn't let us be quitters even though junior high softball was painful for us all.

Cichelli said...

My parents required that I play the piano. And by required, I mean my ankle was handcuffed to the piano until I practiced for a straight hour every day. True story. Sound harsh? IT WAS. I hated them for it. But I am dang good. I hated it until I was good enough to play whatever I wanted...and then I realized, I like this. I love music. This is who I am. I'm glad they didn't let me quit. But seriously, hand cuffs? I think that's taking it too far.

On the flip side, they never made me take swim lessons and now, at 25, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SWIM. Granted, it probably wouldn't have been safe to hand cuff me to a rail in the pool, but I wish they had forced me to do that because I feel like an idiot now.

My hope is to introduce my boys to a lot of activities--soccer, baseball, swimming, etc. I want them to find their passion and do the things they love. I want them to be well balanced and have music, athletics and education be important in their lives.

I guess I don't know exactly what I'll do since I'm not there yet. I just hope to expose them to a lot of different cultural and athletic opportunities, and then let them pursue the ones they really love.

And my husband won't let our boys near ice skating, dancing or singing. He agrees with mr. dub.

Mandee said...

See, I told you I need HTT in my life.

We are heavy into this topic of conversation at our house right now. Our 16 year old, who has been playing soccer for the last 12 years, wants to quit.

I'm really interested in reading what others have to say about this.

And for the record... I side with Mr. Dub on this one.

mommie said...

First of all ... I was there for the original "discussion" and I just want Mr. Dub to know that it was Todd Marinovich I was talking about who was groomed "from the womb" to be a football player and ended up really messed up.

Wow ... this HTT doesn't leave us with clear cut answers, because like all other really good things in life ... it must be guided by the spirit for each individual.

There are a few things I do feel sure about however:
* It is possible to take the extra stuff too far and everyone suffers.
* Quitting in the middle and letting others down doesn't teach the right lesson.
* Forts and bikes and playing at "banking" (a fave activity at the Ess house for many years) develop creativity, imagination and social skills with the best of them.

lrbodine said...

I've been a lurker on here for a while but finally decided to post on this topic! I grew up in a family of 5 kids (4 boys and myself) and my parents I think did really well at the "extracurricular" side of life. We all had to learn to play one instrument well and then whatever sports we wanted to. If we didn't play a sport in high school - we had to get a job. Sounds a little crazy but at a young age, my parents let us try out all the sports (t-ball, softball, soccer, dance, gymnastics, etc). If we didn't like it after a season - we didn't keep playing! Through the years, it became apparent that we were all good at different sports. And my parents full supported whatever it was that we wanted to commit to. They took us to all the practices, watched all of our games, etc. I was definitely not the athelete in my family but I had a good time with sports! And I think since my parents were so supportive but not overly pushy - I think I ended up doing better in cross country than I would have otherwise. We were just supposed to do our best and they were proud whether we came in last (which I did) or first (which I did too).

Then with music - we all had to play something. For me it was piano. I couldn't quit taking lessons until I had mastered all the songs in the Hymn Book and Children's Hymn Book. So pretty much most of high school I did not take lessons. But then I got to BYU and realized that I wasn't nearly as good at the piano as many of my other peers and ended up taking lessons again at BYU. I was more mad at myself for not working harder at the piano growing up!

So for my kids - I kind of plan on doing the same thing. I feel music is important and something that kids will give up on more easily . .. but hopefully I can encourage that one and not make it something my child hates. More often than not though, as long as you aren't making them practice insane amounts a day . . . kids seem to appreciate that extra push later in life.

Sorry for the long first post!

zeeny said...

In my family we could do one sport and one music lesson if we wanted. My parents had seven kids and refused to let their lives be ruled by practices. I think every child should be involved in something extra...but not too much. These activities allow them to set goals and learn to reach their goals. I think it is important to have outside interests but to not be ruled by them. My five year old is in gymnastics/ballet but that is it. A lot of her friends do three dance classes a week, brownies, etc. I think we aren't ready to commit to something she wants to do at such a young age...she's just haveing fun for now! I want her to have fun and realize that doing her best is good enough for me.

hilari said...

p.s. tell all the mr.'s that singing and dancing does not a gay guy make.

go boo boo said...

I tried everything as a kid, and fell into a few club sport activities, but mostly because my friends did them and I had the ability. I wish I had been pushed to do others, but I was happy and enjoyed it. My husband is incredibly athletic but wasn't pushed whatsoever so he didn't pursue any extracurricular activities (and he turned out great!)

I have so far let our kids do what comes our way, but try to limit to one sport a season or so. I would like them to pick up piano or an instrument, but neither of us are so inclined so we'll see (we strongly believe you've got to practice or play what you preach).

Mindy said...

I don't think you should push your kid to do anything. However, we signed our son up for gymnastics (after he had begged us), and he was bored with it after 3 weeks. We told him from the beginning he had to finish the 14 week season, so we're making him see it through to the end. Luckily he's happy again that he's doing it!
I think if the child knows what they're getting into and they're committed, then great.

Growing up in my family, we could choose one instrument and one sport. I get the feeling our house will hold the same guidelines.

Carolyn said...

Okay here. I can't believe I am actually posting on Mrs. Dub! I just had to on this one because I am going to offer a little bit of a different view on this HTT.
So, here goes: I think that when kids are very young and not in school the extra stuff doesn't really get in the way of "being a kid" because, yeah, they are still home a lot. However, when they get into school then things start to get really hairy and with homework and extras the time is gone basically. I had this same problem with my kids until I found an AMAZING school that starts at 7:30 AM and ends at 12:30PM. There are other different schedules to choose from, but that is the one we opted for. So now my kids get home, we have lunch together, and after they have done their homework and chores they have some days where they go do piano or whatever, but they still have time for all the "creative bonding goodness" stuff--they really do!
SO, basically I think the main problem is SCHOOL IS TOO LONG. They have our kids forever and so much time is wasted. My kids are still getting a great education but they are not spending 3/4 of their daytime hours at school. So, we need to start a revolution and make all schools shorter--at least, I think so. Of course, if you like the longer days then maybe we shouldn't, but that is how we have learned to balance all the extras at my house. Also, I definitely agree with the "be a finisher, not a quitter" idea at least for a season or whatever. Okay, enough of my long post--just excited to post the first time I guess! Great topic!

Kate said...

I agree with Leeny and Lachelle (they sound like twins...) I have 3 boys and a girl... and a husband who came from a family who is fanatical about sports (at least compared to my family) so I think- yes, they should be involved- but one sport a season and they have to learn how to play the piano plus another instrument if they want. My oldest is 8 and I am already worried about sports taking over his life.. he does love them and has some talent... and I think it is a good way to keep them busy- but I worry that they will over ride the more important 'spiritual' things... like Seminary and such. Well- I guess we will have to deal with that someday...

Charlotte said...

Boy this is a really hot topic in my family as well. In my childhood family, the boys were the athletes. I didn't find out until I was an adult that I am quite athletic and would have really enjoyed something like that. Instead, while I was in high school, I was anorexic and had an abusive boyfriend. As my husband and I discuss this, we've decided that I fell into that trap because I had nothing "good" going on (my parents let me quit every musical instrument I ever attempted to play.. although my Mama always said I'd be sorry that I didn't play the piano- and I am). So I decided my kids have to do one sport and one musical instrument.
When they were a bit younger, I had them enrolled in every sport as the season changed (soccer, then basketball, then gymnastics, then swimming) to figure out what they had a "natural" ability for. My husband finally said, "You know, they don't have to be in sports." But I disagree. Everyone needs some form of physical fitness. The most unhappy adults I know are those that can't drag themselves to the gym and hate a walk around the block! And lets face it... most public schools don't provide enough "play" time for kids and we're too afraid to let our kids down the block alone to play basketball, kick the can, or whatever at the neighborhood park.
I've made this long enough, but my 2 older kids both have one sport and play piano. When they get older they can change the instrument, but piano is a good base for learning to read music, I think.
But yeah, I don't let them quit. If they decide they want to change down the road later, that's fine (but it's a one year commitment.. most people have a bit of a learning curve for something new), but as long as they live in my house.. it's one sport and one musical instrument. They'll thank me later! =)

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I like the one sport one instrument idea. And I think starting out on the piano is great. I started violin at 3 but hated it growing up. I wanted to play fun songs on the piano like "The Entertainer" not classical violin. I quit taking private lessons at 13 and quit orchestra after 10th grade. Do I regret it? No. I wasn't a natural and I never loved it. I regret that I wasted so much time and energy on violin when I loved art. When I FINALLY got to take art in 11th grade (instead of orchestra) I loved it and excelled at it.

Help your kids find something they love and then make them stick with it.

Oh, and definitely do an instrument AND a sport! I'm such a HUGE uncoordinated wuss because I never got to do dance or a sport. My mom's reasoning? 1) I was too skinny and frail for sports 2) I might damage my violin fingers and 3) Dance costumes are too slutty.

(Okay, so I sort of agree with #3, but really...!)

Heidi said...

"Or do you think you can be a star these days with an average amount of encouragement?"

I will almost feel like a failure if one of my kids IS a star. The longer I live (and I'm not that old, really) the more I think that my goal in life should just be to be moderate. Why do I want to give my kids the idea that they have to be the BEST at something so that they can have more money, more glory, or more fame than someone else? I just want to teach them to be good people. If they aren't rich or famous, that's okay with me. In fact, I think the idea that we should push our kids to be famous or rich is totally absurd. It just seems to put a value on things that shouldn't be valued that much.

If they want to try a sport, great. Don't let them quit in the middle of the year, and set time limits for instruments: "Do you want to play the piano for the next six months?" And then when the season ends or the time limit is up, reevaluate how the activity is working for the child and for the family.

Honestly, I just want to keep my kids out of prison. . .