(Warning: This post contains references to SEX. For tamer fare - and a review of a phonics DVD - go here.)
It's a Mormon urban legend*: A recently married Mormon gal goes to her doctor worried about infertility. Though she and her husband have been trying to have a baby for some time, they've yet to conceive. The doctor looks over her medical history and, puzzled, suggests an internal exam. When he goes to check "under the hood," the girl asks why he would be looking down there when all the action happens "here." (Pointing to her belly button.)
Yes, my friends, the girl wasn't getting pregnant because she wasn't even having sex, technically.
True or not, we've all heard some horror stories about sex, especially in the LDS world where premarital sex is discouraged - really discouraged. As a result, there are a lot of young brides and grooms who are pretty clueless about the whole thing, which can create issues in many marriages.
I don't want to get too graphic, but I'm not talking about myself here. Our master bedroom is just fine, thank you. But just thinking about Miss Dub growing up in today's society has me already stressing "the talk." And, let me tell you, you can be confident the girl from that legend didn't get a talk from her mom ... or any useful sex education for that matter.
But I recognize the dilemma her mother may have had: How do you teach about the beauty of post-marital sex without encouraging premarital sex? And how do you highlight the sanctity of sex without making it seem secretive or disgusting?
My plan is to be open about the whole thing - real names for body parts, age-appropriate answers to questions and open conversations about sex starting in her tweens. I don't plan to be crude or overly graphic, but I do plan to be honest.
I truly believe that if you avoid talking about sex, you are asking for your kids to find their information elsewhere. I also believe if you treat sex lightly, so will they.
And to really add some heat to an already Hot Topic, I'd really like to understand (seriously) the rationale of parents who won't let their kids attend sex education courses at school. I recognize that much of what's being taught is different than my values, but personally I think it's important for kids to have an opportunity to discuss sex outside the home but still in a structured setting. Because while most of us don't want our children to engage in premarital sex, at least they will be able to consider other reasons to abstain (like STDs and pregnancy) if they turn their back on religious ones. And I'm really not an expert on chlamydia myself.
No matter what I believe parents should be their primary source of sex education. I just think you need to supplement what the school teaches and clarify what you believe with what the school talked about. And, most importantly, you need to stress the beauty of sex with a spouse and the joy of creating a family through it.
But is it really necessary to alienate kids from their classmates and make them that much more curious about sex? Do some parents worry that hearing about birth control options will change their kids' minds about whether or not to have sex?
Thoughts?
And is that legend true?
* More on Mormon urban legends tomorrow!
9.25.2007
HTT - Sex Ed-ition
Posted by Mrs. Dub at 7:20 AM
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My kid just turned 6 and we've already entered into this territory. Our discussions are more specific than I expected them to be, but my son is so innocently interested and excited by the way the human body works. It takes away any discomfort I thought might be there. I also realize that by having these age-appropriate discussions from the get-go, it will hopefully keep those lines of communication open in the years to come.
In terms of tweens/early teens I think you need to get really specific about what is NOT appropriate. When I was YW Pres. I had a teacher teach a lesson with the girls where she said (after getting the paren'ts permission) exactly what NOT to do. There was a girl in there who did not know what she was engaging in was oral sex, I mean, had NO idea until that lesson. She had heard that term before, but didn't know what it meant. This girl was 17. No, I'm NOT kidding.
It helped me to realize we need to do more with our kids than say "Don't have sex!"...we need to say "Don't touch here or here or here"..."Don't kiss like this or lay like this" My opinion is that we need to leave no doubt in their minds that they shouldn't be doing any of the things that get those lovely feelings going!
At 12 I went to a YW fireside where a ward gynecologist spoke about std's and what he had experienced with the young women he saw afflicted by those diseases. He did it tastefully, it wasn't disgusting, but it painted a picture of reality.
As far as sex ed. in school, I'm fine with that. I took it and it was hilarious. I think if parents discuss those things with their kids at home tied in with our morals and beliefs and values, getting additional information (like how to apply a condom) is not going to make your child run out and do it for themselves.
(oh, p.s. that yw lesson was taught to the different age groups...so the 12 year olds were not discussion oral sex!)
i walked out of a sex ed course in high school (almost getting suspended in the act) when our lesbian pe teacher started teaching the specifics of homosexuality.
my parents applauded me. they are all for sex ed, but they have picketed and protested the school board to ensure that their (my parents') beliefs are taught as well--that abstinence until marriage, heterosexuality and adoption were real issues that also needed to be taught.
they have also fought in their area that the information given is age appropriate. there was an incident where elementary kids were being taught the specifics of oral sex. i don't think that is okay by anyone's standards ...and if you do think it is okay, you are a freak.
as an educator with a pretty fierce moral code, i felt it was my responsibility to teach truth ...and only teach truth. i believe that there is only one way to make a family mom+dad=family and you can even add kids in there too. mom+mom does not equal family to me and neither does dad+dad. so, i didn't teach it even though it was part of some program we were supposed to address (and yes people, that was in utah county. *gasp*) i personally felt that i would not teach anything that i could not back up to myself with scripture. in my heart of hearts i believed that i was/am preparing the world for the second coming of christ. now, i would never stand up in my classroom and preach that, but on the inside that was what drove me in the classroom. (is this a tangent or what?)
all in all, i think our nation is over-sexed. in 1960 about 90% were virgins. i don't think that's the case any longer. in fact, as of the late 90's 70% of black kids were born outside of wedlock—including my little boy. one in three girls were sexually abused by the time they were 18 and one in five boys were. now it seems like (if you watch the news) quite a few of those abusings are coming from within the schools. (and yes, even here in "zion.") the rape rate in the united states is 15 times higher than that in england.
you may be rolling your eyes, but at the r house we are very concerned about pregnancies outside of wedlock, sex before marriage, abortion, single parenting and adoption. sex needs to be taught in schools--just make sure what you believe is being represented and make you that you follow up with your kids. Professional educators should not be the only ones teaching your kids. They are your kids after all.
in fact, i am now part of sex education in the high schools of granite school district and jordan school district. my job is to make sure that adoption is being presented as a viable alternative to abortion (including the morning after pill) and single parenting.
great HHT, Mrs. Dub - agree with you whole-heartedly.
it's interesting - we were at a ward organized dinner group - three families that rotate hosting a small dinner party for a three month rotation. The host family this past weekend home schools their kids - yes, I know that a past HHT was home schooling, but it adds to my point here. One of their reasons was because of the sex ed issues. We thought it was interesting - can't you just opt out of the sex ed if you don't like how it's being taught? It isn't like it's core subjects that the kids are tested on, right? Obviously the family had other reasons for choosing to home school, but I thought it was interesting.
As for me and my house, we will send our kids to public schools and they will participate in sex ed classes. Our job as parents is to do the following:
1- know our kids, know their questions and give age appropriate answers.
2- know what is being taught first hand (see the curriculum and know the teacher).
3- have an open line of communication at home and clarify things if needed
It's a prime example of living in the world but not of it, as I see it. It's challenging, but that's why where here.
As always, this is an interesting topic for me, as a non-Mormon. I am sure for many of you my thoughts on the subject may seem a bit extreme.
My parents started talking to me about sex when I started asking. I don't remember the exact age, but I do remember that they were open and straightforward about it. They also made it clear that it is an important decision. That they wanted me to wait until I was in a committed relationship (i.e. marriage) before I became intimate. But, they were also realistic. My parents never wanted me to have to make the choice between a child out of wedlock, an abortion or an adoption.
And so, I felt comfortable talking to my mother and my doctor about birth control at, what I am sure some of you would consider, a young age.
I also know that sex ed in school is what it is. It's some scary pictures. It's a lot of boys giggling. It's hard to keep your lunch down. But it serves a purpose. As informed an honest as my parents were, they didn't know the differences between STDs.
I think we can all agree that the responsibility lies in the home. I also think we can all agree that our goal is to protect our children. And, at least from my perspective, the decision to have sex is never made looking at some slides of genital warts... so can a little more education really hurt?!
We talk about sex very honestly and openly with our kids -- the oldest is almost 10, and has questions once in awhile. Our kids are in a sex-saturated culture, and we need to be sure they are 100% comfortable coming to us.
I'm also very pro-sex education. Of course, parents should discuss these important things, and talk about the differences between our values and what the norms of society have become. I would say that I learned a few things in my senior-year health class that have been helpful to me now that I am married (my gynecologist doesn't have time for lengthy discussions on birth control methods' pros and cons). I do not think seeing a condom on a banana encourages any teenager to start having sex. In my high school, they did a lot of good things, like having a panel discussion with teen moms. I don't think having more information should ever be considered a bad thing, unless perhaps, the line into pornography is crossed.
As for getting married with little (no) experience between the two of us, I can't imagine any other way. When my kids are older, I'll tell them what a sweet thing it is to share an intimacy that you have never shared with any other person. It is unusual in today's world, and very special. I've always recommended the book "The Act of Marriage" to inexperienced engaged couples who need a little info on the actual mechanics of things.
my best memory about a sex -ed video? watching the mom in the video make pancakes in the shape of a uterus for her daughter's celebration of getting her period. it was awsome. that was fourth grade, and i can picture that video perfectly.
as lds people we have to be in the world, but not off the world. just remember, we still are in the world. we cannot shelter (hide) our children from information.
I don't know if you remember this Mrs. Dub, but when you were in upper Elementary and the permission slips for Sex Ed were handed out, this is how we handled it . . . and I think it worked pretty well.
We signed the slip. (You were all horrified we wouldn't because the alternative was not only spending a week in a "Desert Survival" class, it also meant certain exclusion from your friends.) However . . . signing it meant an agreement from you that you would come home everyday and talk with me about what you learned.
I gotta tell you I have some pretty funny memories about those talks. Wouldn't have missed them for the world.
Everyone's comments so far have been just great & I agree. I love what Leisha said about specifics. When I started dating at 16 I was really unsure about where the make-out line should be drawn. But as far as "how things work" it seems like I had a good balance of education between school sex-ed and parents. And reading "the Act of Marriage" as has been mentioned. There are also books available that help you know how to have age-appropriate discussions with your kids. Once when my son was 4 he asked me, "How does the baby get into the mommy's tummy?" and I freaked out a little about how to answer that... turns out he thought that the mommy EATS a little baby and then it grows in her stomach. So it turned out that that was an easy one to answer. I look forward to explaining things to my little girls when it is time; my husband will educate our son. And when it's time for school sex-ed, we'll talk about it with them, and it's a good idea to get ahold of the curriculum the school will be using.
Did you choose this HT because of the poor girl (defendant) in the Warren Jeffs trial?
I've got some really strong feelings about this -- I think honesty is absolutely the best policy and, like Liz said, we live in a sex-saturated world and our children have to, HAVE TO feel comfortable coming to us or they will be educated somewhere else/by someone else. I also agree with what Leisha said; we need to be very specific about what is and is not okay in premarital relationships. We have to be able to talk about things frankly, use anatomical terms, and demystify hazy terms like "necking and petting." And these issues come up early, like earlier than tweens (I think,) and I think we have to keep our "nurse" face (ie not lose our composure) when our kids come to us with questions. I think in many ways, we've done ourselves quite a disservice (as a Mormon culture) making sex a taboo topic; it's a reality, it's a beautiful part of marriage -- it is something that can be talked about tastefully and openly.
in school, i was already weird for so many reasons, so leaving during sex ed class was not something i was excited about. my parents gave my brother and i the choice though. my mom indicated that i could attend the sex ed classes on the condition that when i came home, we had to talk about what i'd learned that day. my mom was dilligent about reviewing all the material covered in each class prior to each lesson, and she knew the schedule, so when i'd walk in the front door each day after those few days or weeks of school, she'd call from the other room, "how was school today? let's talk about what you learned." and even though i was, by no means, excited about the idea of saying words like "masterbation" and "vagina" to my mom, it was better than standing up amid 30 of my peers and leaving the room before sex ed was taught. and i feel like those experiences with my mom opened the door for discussion about other questions and concerns throughout my life. anytime my brother or i talked to my mom about things going on in our lives and it bordered on "too much information" she would always say something to the effect of, "i just keep thinking how grateful i am that you feel comfortable talking to me about this!" i'm sure it was her way of convincing herself that this is what she wanted.
i am a strong supporter of sex education in the school system. but i, like mrs. r, also had an experience in high school where i walked out of an entire assembly-like sex education course where a lesbian and a gay man taught our entire 11th grade class the ins and outs of homosexuality. i was sitting in the middle of everyone. i was trying so hard... SO hard to be open-minded and tolerant and non-judgemental. and frankly, they were probably very nice people, but it got incredibly graphic. and there were just some things that i was never going to need to know how to do, and that i just really didn't want in my mind... and so i stood up and walked out. it certainly wasn't the popular thing to do, that's for sure. teachers ran after me. students got mad at me and thought i was being closed minded. and maybe i was. but my parents taught me from the very beginning that i had a choice in the matter. and at 15, i chose not to know how two men have sex.
our children are going to be faced with so many decisions. decisions about what to know, what to do, what not to do, who to trust, who to avoid... and our best approach is probably going to be to teach them how to make decisions. how to weigh the options and decide to do the hard thing.
and seriously... who came up with the banana and the condom thing? could they make a common-everyday lunch item any more awkward to bring to school!? :)
I'm 26 and my mom still hasn't had the sex talk with me! eeeek! Everything I know, I had to learn outside of the home. Sex was NEVER discussed at home. Something I will definitely change!! I remember kids my age were talking about having sex and that was at 13!! Crazy! I had no clue what it meant... until we actually had the sex-ed class... of which lasted an hour, maybe? Needless to say, I was still naive about the topic until later in high school when I could finally talk to friends about it lol.
As far as teaching what "family" means, I think that's for each individual to find for themselves. Just because one may not believe that mom+mom or dad+dad doesn't equal a family does NOT mean that someone else doesn't. I think it's important for everyone to know what family lifestyles are out there and for you to figure out what's best for you. As long as it's a loving relationship, I don't think the sexes in it matter. This is not me saying I want to be a homosexual by any means but I don't think it's wrong for someone else to have that lifestyle.
"Sex is natural, Sex is good, not everybody does it but everybody should!" George Michael-Long Live the King
One thing I really want to avoid with my girls is the idea that sex is bad. One of my guy friends in high school, from church as well, said it was really weird to be talk sex is bad, sex is bad, sex is bad and then all of a sudden after a short ceremony, it's good! I don't want them to feel guilty about having sex when they are married. We have already had the talk about periods and then about how babies come out. We haven't talked yet about how they get in there. I am sort of grateful for that!
Now I do enjoy reading everyones novels about sex ed, I'd prefer the cliff notes version. I mean come on my eyes start hurtn'. hasn't anyone heard of short and sweet?
p.s. C===3...hahahhahahah
My parents were very hush-hush about the whole topic, so I have strong feelings on talking openly to children about sex. I agree that you need to be open with kids and answer their questions in an honest and age-appropriate manner.
Yeah, in church all we ever got was "no necking or petting" and we were always wondering what the heck necking was! I had a college roommate who we had "the talk" with and she was 20 years old! She didn't know ANYTHING. I think that's a serious failing on the part of a parent.
A great book for talking with your kids about sex is Linda & Richard Eyre's "How to talk to your child about sex." They have examples of word tracks, age appropriate discussions, and even follow-up conversation helpers. All of it is of course based on following the Spirit. We have used many of their techniques with our now 10 year old daughter since she was about 8 and starting to ask.
One of the most important things I believe is the follow-up which should continue year after year. Whenever we get the chance, we ask our daughter if she has heard anything or wants to ask us anything about anything but particularly about sex. We have been able to answer her questions and feel like she can trust that we will be honest and open with her. So far so good.
I come from a very proper home. Sex was never discussed. And you know what, I turned it out just fine. I even figured out how to have 2 kids...
Will I talk to my kids about sex? No, I will not. I will answer certain questions of theirs, but vaguely. Anything else is inappropriate in my eyes.
Will my kids turn out ok? Yes, I think so.
You are all very wise women... I would love to sit in a room with you all and discuss...but alas we have to do it over the web... I agree- sex is out there- it is everywhere- there is no way to avoid it (only if I locked my kids in the house- without T.V., computer...etc... you get the hint) We must discuss it openly with our children- they will hear things, they will see things, and we want them to be informed and not confused. (I could go on and on- but I don't want to hurt anon's eyes...)
Won't go too much into this topic for lack of time & functioning brain cells. But some friends & I just had this discussion a month or so ago. One of my friends mentioned a quote she once heard & then found it & sent it to me...
Elder Hugh B. Brown. "Gross ignorance on the part of newlyweds on the subject of the proper place and functioning of sex results in much unhappiness and many broken homes. Thousands of young people come to the marriage altar almost illiterate insofar as this basic and fundamental function is concerned. …If they who contemplate this most glorifying and intimate of all human relationships [marriage] would seek to qualify for its responsibilities, … if they would frankly discuss the delicate and sanctifying aspects of harmonious sex life which are involved in marriage, much sorrow, heartbreak, and tragedy could be avoided.”
Should I close with an amen?
amen.
so jessica, you really won't talk to your kids about sex unless they ask? i swear on my life, i'm not trying to start any kind of crazy argument with my question :) i'm just really curious about it. it's just a very different approach than anything i've ever been exposed to (and apparently, i'm probably not alone in that) and it just seems so scary to me. does it scare you at all that they might not ask you? do you worry at all who might be talking to them about it? again, it's easy to be misunderstood on blogs, i promise i'm not trying to be "i'm right/you're wrong" about it.
i have relatives who never talked to their kids about sex even when they asked. when their oldest got married, it took him and his wife months before they had sex.
jessica, you are playing with fire not talking to your kids. you run the risk of them thinking they won't be able to ask you about sex at all. they WILL learn things from their friends and if you can't clear it up for them, they could assume that is just how it is.
i won't tell you how to raise your kids, but when i remember what my friends taught me, it scares me to think of my kids even hearing that.
it's only gonna be worse for our kids.
sex has always been discussed openly in my family and it will stay that way.
I am really sorry that Jessica is livin' in the dark ages... wake up and smell the hot cocoa... this is the 21st century...
I guess it just stems from the fact that I am uncomfortable talking about sex. I am. And as far as my kids not asking me about it, well, that's fine with me. I will let them go to sex ed classes, learn about it in YM/YW, and really, I will answer their questions if they ask them.
The experience I have in this is from my own home. I am the youngest of 6 kids, and we all turned out just fine, never having had "the talk". Sex was never brought up, ever.
And yes, I learned a lot of things from my friends. But I learned to decipher the good from the bad. I figured it out. I knew sex was sacred. I also knew it was... fun.
I asked my brothers and sisters about this very topic a little while ago- if they would talk to their kids about sex. Their answer was a resounding "no".
Yes, yes, and yes. Please teach your children. We live in a completely different age and time than when we were young and their was very little, if any internet issues, etc. Do you really want your children learning about sex from their peers or their teachers or T.V., magazines, the internet etc?
Obviously, you all haven't had the Spencer Kimball lesson on sex yet. I was the lucky sister who got to read the quote from him that contained the word sex about 7 or 8 times. I am not a prude by any means, but I was unable to keep a straight face after the 5th time saying the word SEX in a Relief Society lesson!
That said, I definitely think one should teach children about sex, and teach them from the beginning it is something mommies and daddies do after they are married. My kids are too young to get graphic, but with the recent birth of baby #4, the older ones did have many questions, and we made sure to say that it always involves a mommy and a daddy who are married.
I live in central Indiana, and was surprised recently to see a commercial about teaching children to wait until they are married. Yes, it actually said that! Hurray!
hello mrs. dub. I am a new reader to your blog and a friend of janayas. this is such an interesting hht. there is a lady in my home ward (who admittedly is a little on the liberal side, but still an amazing woman) she has been so open with her boys about sex from very early on, in a respectful, honest way. because of her willingness to be open and frank with them, her boys (now graduating hs and returning from missions) are all very comfortable approaching the subject and asking any questions that they have...to their mother of all people. how many teenage boys do you know that would do that? i think it is amazing, and that is exactly how i want to be with my children. if we want our children to be open and honest with us about sex concerns, thoughts, ideas, temptations,etc, then we should be expected to do the same. i want so badly for my children to feel comfortable communicating with me about ANYTHING.
along with sex education, it is important for me to be able to tie it in with the gospel so that they don't just understand ABOUT sex, but also why it is so sacred, and what the big deal is about not having sex before you are married. for me growing up, i knew the rules about morality and believed them and trusted in them and followed them, but i have to say that it wasn't until i was married and trying to help my younger sister who was having premarital sex, see and understand what the big deal was about premarital sex, that i came to an understanding of why it is so important to heavenly father that we are chaste. if a child really understands that, if my sister had, if she had really understood the reason behind the law, and that it was not just another rule to see if we would obey, that she didn't want to obey anymore, maybe things would have been different for her.
i think that is the case a lot of times...teens just get tired of resisting temptation, and don't understand that chastity really is something to keep fighting for, no matter how hard it gets.
open-ness and honesty is the key. my childs life is too important for me to leave it up to chance, and to what others will tell them, just because it may be uncomfortable.
my husband always says that when you truly love someone, you say things to them that will help them learn and grow and change, even if they may be hard to hear. (in a loving way of course) that's one of the definitions of love is to help those we love to grow. and teaching our children about sex, is helping them to learn and grow in their knowledge and understanding of the creation and the gospel.
sorry this is so long, i guess i had more to say on this topic than i thought!
Such a great conversation going on here. I am happy that I was always taught from parents who loved each other that sexual intimacy is a sacred, wonderful, fun thing in marriage. I never questioned whether it would be enjoyable in marriage, because my parents were open enough to express that they enjoyed it.
Also, I think it's pretty apparent from Church leaders in recent years that the time for skirting around sex is long gone. If the Brethren come out and explicitly say "No heavy petting" and such and explain what these things are, then parents should, too.
There are so many awesome comments on this, that I don't know if there is much I can add. Yes, I will definitely be open and honest about sex with my kids. I think it is important, I also know it is something that everyone does (obviously or none of us would be here). Yes, I will send them to sex ed classes, but ultimately it is my responsibility to teach them the sanctity and beauty of the human body and relationships between husband and wife. But aside from that, I feel it is just as important to teach them what a beautiful and amazing thing sex can be. Growing up I'm sure most people heard the word BAD whenever sex was brought up. I just don't want my kids to think it is a "bad" thing, because in my mind it is very much the opposite.
Loved this topic! Great responses too!
This is a perfect HTT considering the experience I had at the grocery store today involving a teenage girl wearing "PINK" (Victorias Secret) boy shorts, which I beleive were really shorts, but really could have been underwear. It is my blog post for tonight so check it out...
But anyway, I agree with most everything that has already been said here. Keep the lines of communication open so your kids feel comfortable asking you the questions and not someone else. I think it is more important than EVER in the society we live in.
Ginger reminded me of something that I had to add (sorry...). My husband recently taught the SWKimball Chastity lesson in Elder's Quorum just a couple of weeks ago. The one paragraph that stood out to him more than any other was on p. 185 and stated that we should be telling our kids HUNDREDS of times before marriage about chastity.
"Your children will learn from you early in their lives that they must never involve themselves in immoral practices of any kind. This cannot be told to them just once. But before they are married they should be told hundreds of times, and they should know that not only their family and their parents expect this great service, but the Lord in heaven, Jesus Christ expects them to keep clean and free from immortality."
Jessica, please work on opening up to your kids about sex. You would hate let them get married or into a relationship with unrealistic expectations or misconstrued ideas about sex. One of the greatest lessons I learned from my parents was "it's not like it looks on TV or in the movies." What kids see on TV, in the movies or internet is not realistic! Are you really going to depend on the world to let your kids know that? They are the ones making it up after all.
jessica (and anyone who is uncomfortable talking about this with their kids), you are incredibly lucky...and rare...to have turned out with a "healthy" attitude about sex never having talked with your parents about it. but i can't help but think your attitudes are not as well adjusted as you think, because you are not comfortable speaking to your children about one of the most sacred, wonderful, parts of life.
unfortunately, today's world is so different even then when we were young. your children's curiosity is easily answered with pornography in all of it's filthy forms (trust me i taught junior high sex ed in utah, and they have seen it- and they are very, very curious; their parents would DIE if they knew the things they told or asked in confidence or anonymously. prior to that, i majored in health ed at byu and most of my classmates were very married and very clueless about even the basic facts).
from ym/yw they will not hear much more than the flower to be protected stuff. and you have no control over the way the teacher presents it at school (like the gay p.e. teacher.) it really, truly is your responsibility and i would wager anyone who relinquishes that will be sorry later- we live in the age of information, and kids will get the 411, i promise.
I took a Parenting & Child Guidance class last winter semester at BYU. We talked about sex ed in schools, and read a pretty lengthy article detailing the sex ed program one school district (I don't remember which one or which state... somewhere on the East half of the US I believe). Basically the instructors had the students sign contracts saying they wouldn't talk about what was discussed with ANYONE, including their PARENTS. Scary, no? What's worse is that the students were ENCOURAGED to use foul language to describe sex and bodily functions. They were also ENCOURAGED to go with a romantic partner to look at pornographic videos for rent (This was to high school kids, many of whom are not old enough to even rent those videos). The kids were also taught which supermarket lubricants (i.e. chocolate syrup, jam, honey) were safe to use, and which weren't. Yeah. No joke.
My sex ed experience in high school wasn't that bad, but abstinence was not mentioned once except for near the end of Planned Parenthood's presentation when the teacher threw it out there as one alternative way to not getting STDs.
So I'm all for sex ed in schools, but oh gosh, Jessica, TALK TO YOUR KIDS ABOUT SEX! You grew up in a different age than your children will. If they have questions that they don't feel comfortable asking (which they will, because YOU aren't comfortable with it) they will ask the internet, which will likely lead them to pornography. The average age of first exposure is eleven years old. That is just begging for an addiction.
That goes for everybody. Communicate, communicate, communicate!
p.s. I agree with K.M. about church not being much help either. All I got from my young women lessons were that boys were uncontrollable, and since we girls were not interested in sex at all (or so it seemed the leaders though), it was up to us to save the day.
Yeah, so when my hormones started really kicking in midway through my teen years (I'm still only 19... haha) I felt like there was something wrong with me. There's not.
I definitely do not want my daughters to feel that way, and I don't want them (or my sons) to think that teenage boys are always the bad guy.
~THE END~
I'm a little late here, but I just had to say something about this.
Picture your sweet daughter starting high school. She has never done anything with boys. She gets good grades and does what is right. She's a pretty girl and as soon as school starts, the older boys are flirting with her like there is no tomorrow. She loves the attention. She had sex ed in middle school, which was a joke, and no real conversation about sex at home. All she knows for sure is that she isn't supposed to have intercourse until she is married. So she starts kissing people occasionally. That turns into heavy makeout sessions. She still thinks she is fine because she isn't having sex. In the middle of her freshman year she goes into a routine Bishop's interview. She THEN finds out that what she has been doing is WAY too much. She's totally over the line, but sadly didn't know where the line was. She leaves the Bishop's office in tears with a copy of The Miracle of Forgiveness, a promise that she won't take the sacrament for 6 weeks, and a follow up appointment set with the Bishop. Oh yeah, and she has finally had the sex talk with someone -- her 65 year old Bishop. To top it off, she can't go do Baptisms for the Dead on Wed. night and has to tell her parents why she isn't worthy to go.
Yes, true story. That was me at age 14. It REALLY was horrible. So don't beat around the bush with your kids. Don't assume that they will know. Don't plan on YW/YM leaders talking about it. I didn't hear ANYTHING about sex at church.
Sorry to barge in on your blog, Mrs. Dub. I have been a lurker for some time and just coudln't keep my mouth shut on this one.
thanks to everyone for your comments.
except for one naughty emoticon, everyone was so mature, insightful and honest about a topic that could have gotten hot and heavy.
(pun sadly intended.)
Word of caution: In California an ELEMENTARY sex-ed class curiculuum taught "self touch" as an alternative to having sex.
"Hey Kids, guess what!? You can avoid getting those nasty crabs by having sex ALL BY YOURSELF!!! Isn't that FUN?!? (No Billy, I'm not talking about hermit crabs!)"
So just make sure you know exactly what is being taught and by whom!
(Sorry to end on that note Mrs. Dub.)
sorry for the third comment on one post... i just wanted to back-up acte gratuit's statement about the self-touching curriculum... they were teaching the exact same thing in my elementary school 20 years ago. hence my fear of having to say the word "masterbation" to my mom when i got home and had to talk about what i learned. but she was wonderful and was so good about explaining that although some may say that's normal, it was not something that the Lord intended us to do with our bodies. looking back... what a brave mom i have! :) and what brave mom's you all are!! these are amazingly tough things to say to your kids.
uh... and i just realized i'm spelling that word wrong. :)
actually i did my naughty emoticon wrong..it should be 8===D, and you should be thankfull i didn't break out the digital vash..
Just a couple of things to add. My husband has always been against having our kids taught sex-ed in school, but this year our oldest was in 5th grade and we decided to let her go. The first day, she got in the car and without a "Hello" said, "I get everything else, (we've been very open about answering her questions)but I don't get the wet dreams part." Hmmm.... I think the thing I have against school taught sex-ed is age appropriateness (if that's a word). She was freaked out about the whole thing. While it would be appropriate for boys... I'm not sure it was for the girls.
Anyway, as has already been said, I think the key is to have your kids come home and discuss what they learned so you can give your two cents.
Also, my parents were very good about giving me the nuts and bolts of sex. Somehow they missed the emotion involved, though. And in my opinion, that's the most important part!
Do you know what they are teaching in sex ed classes? I think that whole thing started because parents were not doing their job. If parents do their job, why do they need to hear about it at school?
I believe that most Mormon teens are taught that sex and anything leading to it is bad. Then....there is marriage, and suddenly everything changes. There are no special lessons given on what to do when sex is okay....post marital sex lessons.
HI Mrs. Dub! I have been lurking on your blog for a while and I thought I would share my feelings on this matter.
I am 19, LDS and not yet married. My mom taught me about sex when I was 9 years old because I told her that all of my friends knew what it was and I was feeling left out...pathetic, I know. She told me and I cried because I didn't want to have sex one day haha. You know what, I am so grateful that I learned about sex from my mom first and not from some kids on the playground or some other random person. My mom has ALWAYS been open with me about sex and makes sure to tell me how beautiful and sacred it is.
Sex-ed in school is important to go to...but hearing it from your parents is essential. The school teaches it clinically; parents teach the sacredness of it.
Jessica-What happens if (hopefully never) your child is ever touched innappropriately? Your child needs to know that they can come to you with ANYTHING. We had a family therapist teach us in RS that we need to be as open with our kids about their bodies as we are about tithing, or any subject. If your child has been touched somewhere and they are afraid to talk to their parents, the amount of hurt that would stay inside of them would torture them. This therapist said we should also use the appropriate term for body parts, which is kind of awkward I admit. I think it will be hard but being a parent is hard. As far as school sex-ed, we woudld'nt need it if more parents were responsible.
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