7.31.2007

HTT - $$ Edition

This Hot Topic is an extension of yesterday’s discussion about my overspending tendencies. A few of you mentioned how your husbands can temper your buying binges, which sometimes is a good thing and sometimes means you have to go back by yourself and buy that cute shirt that looks a little bit like one you already own. (But not even close to “identical,” as he so curtly put it.)

And husbands should have a say. Sharing finances, after all, is part of marriage, just like sharing a bed and sharing shampoo. In fact, it’s a huge part of marriage and often requires a huge adjustment if your personal spending styles are different. It’s not easy to compromise, for sure, but if you don’t your marriage could be in big trouble.

Mr. Dub, for example, is an interesting combination of money attitudes. On one hand, he likes money to be safe and cozy in a bank account, accruing interest for a really rainy day. On the other hand, he wants nice things. So pretty much he’s waiting around to strike it rich before he buys anything. (This is a huge generalization, dear, but I haven’t all day to examine your financial psyche.)

Mrs. Dub, as you know, likes a bargain. I don’t buy clothes that cost more than $20, although most of what I buy is less than $10. However, I buy stuff all the time. And it adds up – to a cute wardrobe and stellar collection of costume jewelry, I might add.

Before we met, I would buy whatever I wanted and could afford. If I had something to save for, I restrained myself. If I had excess, I spent away. I didn’t go into debt, but I wasn’t exactly saving.

But Mr. Dub has helped me see the light. I don’t consult him on most purchases, but knowing he’ll eventually see them helps me control myself. The longer we’re married the more I find myself putting things back or analyzing needs versus wants. On occasion he’ll chide me for being a clotheshorse, but ultimately he recognizes that I could be much worse.

Likewise, he has learned to bargain hunt and buy something without breaking into a sweat. (Or returning to the store 5-10 times before making the purchase.)

So we’re making progress, and that’s all that matters in a marriage. You don’t have to succeed; you just have to keep trying.

But every couple is different.

I’ve heard rumors of husbands who keep all family financial information to themselves, including bank account numbers, and only dole out an allowance to their wives as they see fit. So pretty much I hate these guys if they really do exist, because not only are they domineering jerks, but they totally don’t understand the concept of unity.

On the other hand, I know couples who maintain individual bank accounts and keep their personal finances to themselves, which I don’t agree with once you’re married. Or wives who take out separate credit cards to hide their shopping sprees, which is just naughty-naughty.

I don’t think either spouse should have total control of the finances or the family’s financial philosophy … even if the wife doesn’t work. (After all, who buys the groceries, my friend?)

I don’t think anyone should live in fear of the other when buying something, just like I don’t think anyone should live in fear of the other one squandering their savings.

But what about you?

How do finances work in your relationship?

Who calls the shots?

And who spends the most cash?

Please share.





36 comments:

Rachel said...

Wow, I am the first:) Dh and I share the responsibility, although I do the bills etc. I like to be involved and, though I have fired myself as CFO of our family in the past, I just can't walk away. Plus I think it is a nice break for him since he is working all day. We share an account and discuss all major purchases. I have had times of overspending on credit cards, but always tell him about it and we quickly take care of it.

As for the biggest spender, that is interesting. I am more like you and spend a lot on a lot of little things (Target), but Mr Phizz is a big spender too. He is a clothes-horse and likes his nice things (he recently got into hiking and he now ban from REI for while).

Finances can take a big toll on marriage if not handled well, so I am grateful dh and I have it, pretty much, figured out (for our marriage).

Leslie said...

since we have been students for the entire 9 years we have been married, we have yet to really experience "real life" when it comes to money & income allocation. but what works for us is, boy makes money, girl keeps track of money (while boy listens to the rundown). boy always makes sure tithing is paid, girl makes sure utility & medical bills are paid and cupboards are filled. we don't ever have conflict over money, thankfully. i'm not a "big" spender (IMO, i mean i like to shop, but like you, mrs. dub, i rarely purchase any one item over $20.) i always tell my husband how lucky he is that i don't spend cash the way some of my friends do (every day they get something new, Every Day.) i think that's a bit disrespectful of the breadwinner and i don't want to be riddled with guilt. i've never understood the "allowance" thing or the separate bank accounts. Doesn't sit well with me. Budgets are one thing (and one thing we're horrible at), but the boy deciding how much the girl gets each week seems a little weird. i'm sure in most cases, though, the wife has been consulted on the amount of $$ she needs.

stephanie said...

mike and i are totally on the same page about finances. and that makes me very glad. i have seen people argue and fight over money and just the thought of it stresses me out.

mike makes the money and trusts me to spend it wisely. (it's the least i can do.) we have a very tight budget that we follow religiously (we like the cash method-- once it's gone, it's gone). and we go over our finances together frequently.

sara said...

I've always taken care of the bill-paying, etc. and I keep meticulous account of everything in Quicken. I'm the mathy/numbers person in the family and I enjoy it. Once when we were engaged I took a look at the state of his check register (yikes!) and suggested that I take over, and he seemed glad to relinquish that duty. We share all accounts & have equal access. We rarely have monetary disputes and I think we feel like we're "equal" if we are both able to spend a little bit on things for ourselves; ie I'll buy a new shirt every now and then, he goes out to lunch. We don't follow a budget but since all expenses are recorded, we'll occasionally review & make spending adjustments as necessary.

I too thought that the "wife's budget" concept went out with the poodle skirt, until I met a couple in my old ward who still subscribe to that philosophy. The guy pays all the monthly bills, mortgage, utilities, etc. and gives the wife an allowance for everything else. The problem is, since her money is for everything else, she's often torn with decisions like, "Should I buy junior the new shoes he desperately needs, or save the money to go on a date with the Mr.?" (Who is, of course, expecting that date.) I couldn't put up with that.

Laurel said...

It's funny because when we have extra cash I will always think of ways we can spend it and Tom will most often think of all the ways we can save it...so together I think we are a good match. Although one thing that we decided to do early on in our marriage that saved us was getting our own monthly allowance. I got so sick of the eye rolling I got when I said I wanted to go get a pedicure or if I bought my 10th pair of khaki’s (I love 'em). So now I have my own spending money that I don't have to be accountable to him for and he can save to his hearts content.

steph said...

i am SO the bigger spender... but on my own, i feel guilty when i purchase anything over 12 bucks, so i keep myself in check. now, i doubly check myself b/c i know that pboy will roll his eyes when i decide to purchase another pair of shoes. i'm the bill payer, but we currently have few of those since the esses have taken us in until we make it to spain (what good 'rents-in-law)... even though i'm the spender, i'm also the saver! thanks to a budget pboy helped me with when i first graduated, we have a nice little padding... i'm currently the bread winner, but that'll change (i'm sure) multiple times in our life.

janaya said...

when my husband and i first got married, i had the hardest time giving up my bank account. not because i didn't want to share money... 'cause i was sharing my money whether i liked it or not... but because i kept track of my expenditures and my husband did not. i would keep my receipts until they were bursting out of my purse so i could "balance my checkbook" and my husband would crumple his up and toss them as soon as possible. i just couldn't fathom how this was going to work. (and he was wells fargo and i was usbank, and that was a battle all by itself). and frankly, what it came down to was immigration forced us to combine accounts, because we had to prove we were in fact in a long-term committed relationship (which apparently includes joint accounts, and a marriage certificate isn't sufficient) so i could get my green card. so... we went with wells fargo (he won), we have a joint account and two separate credit cards tied to that account, and i gave up on the receipt hording. there's a whole lot of money transferring that goes on, but it works for us. right now, i'm the main breadwinner, because my husband is still in school. so i pretty much pay all the bills, the tithing, i manage our investment portfolio, and take care of all our insurances. it's possible that the roles might change when my husband is bringing in the money, but i don't really mind doing it and my husband is happy to not have to worry about it.

as far as actual spending of the money... i like quality, whereas my husband likes cheap. i like brands (i know... so bad), whereas my husband likes generic. i can shop fast and make quick decisions about my purchases, whereas my husband will stare at two computers for FIVE hours before making his final decision (and then question it for hours afterward). i like lots of clothes, whereas my husband would prefer if i took more frequent trips to D.I. to drop some off. generally, we're VERY different spenders, but we've found ways to compromise and balance each other out. i help him MAKE purchases, and he helps me NOT make purchases. :)

as for an "allowance"... wow... now so much a fan of that idea. i bring in all the money in our home right now. i have done so our entire marriage (since my husband is addicted to school...) and i wouldn't even DREAM of giving him an "allowance" each month and saying "now honey... be sure to spend it wisely!" :) i know people do it, and in some circumstances, it's possibly appropriate (... like to keep a crazy shopaholic at bay), but it's my feeling that a set up like that is grounds for some pretty crazy control issues. UNLESS... the breadwinner is willing to live by the same rules and give themselves an allowance (like Laurel mentioned). then it's basically just a really strict budget. but that's just my two cents.

liz said...

I feel very lucky because finances have never been a big problem area for us. My husband does the bulk of the planning and organizing (he thinks using Quicken and paying bills online is fun -- I would consider it a chore) and we have a family budget, which I largely ignore. He makes the money, I spend the money. I'm pretty judicious, and he rarely questions my spending. He's great at saving, which I am very grateful for, and has all kinds of emergency plans/funds/etc.

What's funny, is on the rare occasion he actually shops for something, he's much more likely to splurge and/or make a quick decision than I am, whether he's excited about a piece of furniture (he loved the Poang chair at IKEA the other day -- I'm sure we'll get one, but do we have to pack it up right this minute, honey?), a new electronic toy (surprise, I bought an iPod!), or a ridiculously priced, if anti-oxidant rich, grocery item (have you priced pomegranate juice lately?).

On the whole, he's much better at the bookkeeping stuff, as well as making big decisions about mutual funds, etc., but I'm definitely the better shopper, so I think our division of labor is both fair and effective.

My mom has always felt she had to "hide" certain purchases from my dad, and I am glad my relationship is a little more "evolved" than that -- I'm sure this is somewhat generational. I'm also trying to be sure I know how everything works, and where the accounts, insurance policies, etc. are. When my father-in-law passed away (young) two years ago, it took my sweet mother-in-law a long time to figure everything out, and she still feels a little overwhelmed by the finances, which she never knew anything about.

janaya said...

holy crap!!! my comment was SOOO long. i had no idea!! so embarrassing! please forgive me. haha.

Anonymous said...

We are one of the couples you described that has separate accounts, and yes, to the average person, it sounds horrible that my husband only "allows" me so much money each month, but it's not like it seems.

I have a horrible spending problem... Some people are emotional eaters, I am an emotional spender- to the point that I had single-handedly maxed out our credit cards during the first year of our marriage.

My husband and I finally sat down and agreed that something had to change. So I suggested (yes, it was me) that we get separate accounts and that he would deposit enough money each month for household items and a little extra for spending money.

And you know, it works for us. I know it sounds all together very 1950ish, but it really has helped take the finance stress out of our marriage.

Mrs. Dub said...

i think it's a given that if the woman feels good about the financial arrangement, or is doing it to control herself, there's nothing sexist about that.

but, shoot, now i'm wondering if mr. dub should give me an allowance.

Anonymous said...

My husband and I are similar to the rest of you (he makes the money and I manage it). But I think that the way we both are comes from our parents. When I grew up, my parents seemed to have plenty of money for whatever we needed. It didn't seem like there was a lot of comparison shopping or penny pinching. My husband's parents didn't have as large of an income and they only purchased the necessities. So now my husband doesn't have a problem buying things we need, but he REALLY takes his time to research it and really get the best bargin (I am referring to big purchases -- not like he researches groceries). I am not a crazy spender, but I don't have a problem going to Target and spending a quick $150 on what I think are ALL necessities. Luckily, we both TRY to save, although we aren't always great at it.

The point: I think people often mimic what they grew up with.

martha corinna said...

I have a separate account as well that my husband deposits money into each month. It's good for me, it keeps me in check. I actually have to (kind of) budget that way. I know for a lot of women they are already good at this without the separate account, but we all have weaknesses, mine is buying too much. I am working on it, with the help of this separate account, of course. It's kind of like a diet.

Leisha Mareth said...

I started out handling all the finances when we first got married. I did that until we adopted our first child. I was tired. So I asked my husband to handle the finances for awhile. He works in finance by profession, so we are now budgeted out the wazoo, which is good, but I allocated funds differently. I know the agreed upon budget and stick within it and we both have to agree on large purchases (more than $200) before making them. Like others said, I'm not a big spender (except when it comes to my kids...that is where I have to watch myself!)

Truthfully, my husband does all he can to make sure I get the basics to keep me feeling good (regular hair salon visits, a new outfit here and there, a dinner out once a week, etc.) So I can't complain about his minutely detailed budgets.

My parents have usually had separate accounts. I don't get it, but it works for them.

janaya said...

i've decided i want to take back my control issues comment. BECAUSE i thought about it for about 30 more seconds and realized that the reason i don't like the idea of an allowance is because I have control issues! haha.

open mouth... insert foot.

Mrs. Dub said...

janaya,

take out foot.

trust me, you weren't even close to saying something offensive or biased.

leave that to me.

mrs. dub

hilari said...

i think whatever works for each couple is fine except that as an adult if you have a "spending problem" learn how to not. instead of just relying on your husband. hello, what if something happens to your husband or any other unforeseen incident..... i say learn how to be a big girl and take care of life.

Layton Clan said...

Hot topic of my life, hello.

I am the numero uno bill payer, tax doer, money saver and budget-extraordinaire... it's my passion. I am an accountant in my professional life, so it comes really naturally. My husband and I have been married for two years, and this is how we work our finances:
I have our main account with all the savings accounts. He is on the account, with a debit card and such. All the bills are paid out of this checking, and all the savings accounts are under this account number also. I believe in saving for what I want, or what our family needs. We have savings accounts for our son's college (529), holiday savings account for birthdays and holidays, travel savings accounts for vacations, taxes and repairs accounts for unexpected tire changes, tickets and registration renewal, general savings and savings for home down payment. All of these accounts are 'paid' on a bi monthly basis, and the money seems to just add really quickly. This way, there is a transfer made when something is bought from the savings to the checking, and so your budget stays on track. I am not a spender. I feel bad when I spend money outside of the monthly expenses that we have. My husband on the other hand thinks that an extra dollar not spent on bills is to be spent. IT DRIVES ME TO INSANITY. We have compromised, and he has a different account that money goes into, and that is his spending account. It works out perfect for us, because he is also SOOOO much better about saving, and actually is much more selective in what he buys. Some people may think that this is really juvenile to give him a separate account for spending, but it works perfect for us, because I am able to keep the budget exactly where it needs to be. We don't have any credit cards. We use open loans on vehicles and such to create consistency with our credit. I agree with Rachel that Finances can be a HUGE stress on marriage, and we have found the PERFECT way to eliminate that stress. It's worked so far!!!

Veeda said...

One day Brendan will actually finish school and one day we will have an actual income to spend.

Until then, I try to restrain my retail urges -- I am definitely the big spender in the family.

If I know there is a great sale going on where I might over indulge (like babyGap or Pier 1) I drag my husband along to be the voice of reason.

Melanie M. McKinnon said...

i hate clothes shopping so when i do go, my husband will let me. not so in any other area of my purchases. i'm like janaya, i can shop fast and make quick decisions while my husband is trapsing through the ailes just comparing prices (i compare, but quickly).

i have two sisters who cannot make decisions about purchases within 30 minutes. i'm talking "I just need to go back to these three stores to see the things I have on hold one more time. . ." this KILLED me growing up.

my husband pays the consequences of their actions now because i'm in and out without making the very best decisions.

i like saving money, but would rather shop fast and efficiently, especially now with two kids who make those grocery store trips that much longer.

we've had so many fights about money i can't even count. but we also lay in bed at night for hours talking about how we could even fathom having an affair (we seriously go into weird details because we don't understand it).

or remembering good times from when we were friends and stuff we loved about when we got together. we still talk long into the night only to regret it the next morning after only getting 3 hours sleep (just like the college days).

i prefer a huge blow out about money now and then to the amazingness that is our regular relationship.

having typed that all out, it sounds ridiculous, but i love it!

great topic, as always!

Janni said...

Geez, you really know how to get people to comment on your blog! I think the most I've ever had is 7! :)
As for money, I have most of the control, we have a joint account, a savings acct (in my name) and each have our own acct as well. And let's just say, with my husband's reputation for bad spending before I knew him, I am the only one with the credit cards, but he has one in my name that he is allowed to use if i tell him he can. I make the most money, so I pay the bills. I am looking forward to the day when this changes!

but i LOVE a bargain and sometimes i just need that extra lift that only a new outfit can give (but I no longer shop at Banana Republic, its more like whatever is at Ross, TJMaxx, or on a really good sale rack!) And I am not greedy, I usually buy something for my hubby too - of equal value usually. And I have a bad tendency of buying extravagant gifts for special occasions, or just because. But most large purchases are discussed before hand.

Its interesting how spending habits change as we move through life. I spend more money on clothes for my cute little boy than I do for myself (and I can't fit into my old clothes still, so sorry if i offend people by wearing the few things I have that fit me and are not maternity clothes!)

martha corinna said...

hilari,
I'm sure in your closet there are things you are not "a big girl" about. I certainly didn't divulge my weakness to have you tell me to grow up. Like I said, I'm working on it, on my own and with help. Are you trying to say you never need help in any shape or form?

hilari said...

engineer,
take it easy.

martha corinna said...

So hilari,
I'm not exactly sure how you expect me to react, I'm not sure that the criticism you threw out was "taking it easy". I would have to say it was a little on the judgmental side. I was in no way passing judgment in my comment on anyone but myself. I surely don't need yours.

Ashby said...

I think I can understand where Engineer is coming from. Years back, before I even knew my husband, my FIL had to take my MIL off his account. She would spend every available penny and racked up tons of credit card debt. He couldn't afford it anymore, so he got her a separate checking account and gave her a monthly allowance to pay for all of her needs.....gas, electric, water, phone, house payments, bills, and a little extra for spending money. Because of that it helped her to stay "in check". She was responsible for her money.

When Ryan and I got married he kind of assumed that THAT was how it was supposed to be. But I put my foot down. I've always been of the assumption that "What's his is mine, what's mine is his." The separate accounts thing just didn't fly with me. I wanted everything to be shared, as well as open and honest. And just like Mr. Dub and other husbands out there, he keeps me in check with his "do you really need that?" routine. I've also found that I end up saying the same things to him. We share everything. We both pay the bills, we both know the passwords to accounts. It just works for us to share in the financial responsibility.

With that said, I believe that everyone needs to do what is best for them and their marriage as far as finances go. My in-laws were much happier with the separate accounts, and I can't judge them on that....or anyone else for that matter. I think as long as you are being open and honest about what you spend your money on....even if you get a monthly allowance or have a separate account....it leaves no room for secrets or errors.

As for us, we are far from perfect. In fact we really need to learn how to budget better. We get all of our bills in on time and we avoid going into debt at all costs. We are working on it, and I think it is a noble goal to keep working on something in a marriage - no matter what it is!

Kate said...

Okay- I guess I am not a 'big girl' because I am just learning about finances. We have been married for almost 11 years and in the last couple of months I had an epiphany(??) of sorts and felt it was time to put ME on a budget and really find out how much I was spending. Before then- I was going to CostCo almost every other day- and getting everything my heart desired. Saying that- I am really not a 'Big Spender'- I don't care about name brands- and I am always buying things on sale, etc. etc. My line to my husband was always; "It was such a great deal- I couldn't pass it up!" But as you all know- that adds up and it would be probably more wise to spend $100 on a great pair of shoes then $20 on 10 pairs of okay shoes ("but they were such a great deal") So I approached my dh and told me to put me on a budget and let me in on our finances... So now I have my own account and every two weeks he or I deposit my set amount into my account. It is so much better for our relationship- because if there happens to be something that doesn't fit into my budget- we sit down and discuss it with eachother and I am not feeling guilty. BTW- he is also on 'a budget' and is accountable for what he spends.. But I am definitely who spends the most money...

martha corinna said...

All this writing seems to have made me have a 'spending problem'. Like Katie, I don't have a spending problem, I do go to the store too often and purchase groceries that we don't always need. I haven't sent my family into financial ruins by any means. The account helps me budget, not my husband, that's the bottom line.

Mrs. Dub said...

whew! you leave for a little swim and things get heated.

first, i have it on the highest authority that no one meant to single anyone out with their comments.

second, i'm not worried about any of you having spending problems. clearly, you're all on top of your finances if you have any sort of system worked out.

speaking of that, anyone want to make me a budget? $50 a month for enchilada sauce is a need, i tell you!

mr. underhill said...

"Chided" is such an ugly word. I like to think of it as mildly amused at how you can have so many shoes and black shirts. I mean isn't black just black any way you look at it? It's just the absence of any color -- as far as Mr. Borgeson taught us in science. But then again what do I know -- or even Mr. Borgeson for that matter?

go boo boo said...

Where in the world are you ladies finding things, er, all of your things for under $20, or $12, etc.? I might need some actual 'attend the shop with me' assistance! I definitely am a clothes-horse, but I am way into quality and non-trend, thus I have shoes, jeans, sweaters, and jackets that I have had for years 5-10, and wear them like crazy. But lately I mostly spend on the kids, for clothes, summer camps, museum/zoo passes, etc. I really try to stick to a budget, which is very loosely based, but I think no matter how little or how much moolah you have, you've got to have a budget. I think I learned that from the church pamphlet (original). I am certainly no angel (I had a naughty naughty card, which only very recently discovered and immediately paid off by dh) but I am trying harder (I have a lot of hobbies, so you wouldn't know it, but I shop around like crazy for bigger ticket items (>$100). And I like the tip to discuss any purchase >$100 with your dh. One of my qualms about my dh is seriously how cheap he is, it really enerves me a lot of times, and always have, but I originally decided to overlook it - its still tough - but I made the right choice overall.

Anonymous said...

My husband and I have seperate accounts and while our set-up is rather non traditional, it works for us (for now). While not terrible with money, he has a different idea of how much to save and to spend. I will admit to being an over saver. To solve the problem we have seperate accounts for our money. Most of the bills are paid out of his and he saves and spends what he is comfortable with. I on the other hand, can save without limits and don't feel terrible about spending what little money I do (I'm a guilty spender). In the end, he reaps the benefits of my savings, has a happier wife who doesn't nag about his purchases and I feel more secure about our financial situation.

Rachie said...

I have my own checking account and we share a savings/checking account. We had a shared account for 5 years, but this seems to work better for me. I feel like I am not being scrutinized for my spending habits and I have actually done a better job of controlling them. I never thought we would have seperate accounts, but it works for us!

(sorry for any spelling errors on my comment)

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